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  1. doyerfan

    doyerfan MODERATOR Staff Member Moderator

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    Those problems haven't shown to affect much in his performance or the team, really. If he complained about position or the lineup or something that affected the game, sure. But it hasn't and he's still done well.

    And easily he's a better asset then Urias and yeah I say Seager also. I love our prospects as much as the next guy, but then being prospects doesn't make them better then the real thing. If Puig was a prospect only in minors we'd be salivating over him. He's shown he's a very good player already. VERY good.

    His floor is significantly higher then Seager/Urias, and his ceiling is either just as high or at worst a bit below. To me, if Urias and Seager were on another team I'm asking for both of those dudes for Puig. And I think that'd be close to a deal we all would be happy for. So, thinking that way, yeah, you trade the others for him.

    Packages I'd move him for, as I've said it probably comes down to someone like Chris archer, sonny gray, with a hitting prospect. Or a very good comparable hitter at a more premiere position like SS.
     
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    doyerfan MODERATOR Staff Member Moderator

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    Why? Seager is very good and exciting as hell at a premiere position. But, a GM would trade Seager straight up for Puig. The floor on Puig is higher then on Seager, without a doubt. Seager's ceiling is probably higher cause of position but yeah it's not that crazy to say
     
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    sleepy floyd DSP Regular Damned

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    Cueto AND Chapman? The Reds would get major kudos from me ( and extreme hate from around the league) if they were actually OK with teaming Chapman with Jansen...so much so that, personally, I'd truly have to consider that with an itchy finger on the button.

    You're seriously shutting the door after 6-7 innings if that happens.
     
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    doyerfan MODERATOR Staff Member Moderator

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    You're not sold on Puig as a cornerstone, why? Cause he has dramatically bad at bats? Who was our cornerstone the past two years then? Adrian? Who hit worse then Puig last year but for some reason has quieter slumps?

    He has been a cornerstone, so to speak. It just happens that now the Dodgers are good enough offensively to have multiple players hitting well that they don't just need one or two guys like Adrian/Kemp years.
     
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    Puig can be really annoying. I don't trust him in game 7 of the WS and bases juiced.

    But overall he's far too talented, valuable, and proven (albeit not as great as we want) to just give up on.
     
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    doyerfan MODERATOR Staff Member Moderator

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    From 2013-2015, Puig has a .879 OPS and 150 wRC+

    Hanley was better then him, with 400 less plate appearances, but after Hanley it was Puig. He was the best offensive player. After Puig, Adrian has a .827 OPS and 131 wRC+

    He's been our major offensive weapon. Our offense would be significantly worse without him then all those times we don't score we'd wonder why
     
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    sleepy floyd DSP Regular Damned

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    Seager's more than just a talent, or a guy with a ton of upside because of his position.

    Seager has the maturity to be a real force in the clubhouse and could change a team's culture. He has real cornerstone potential. A guy with the maturity/approach of a Jeter, but more talented than Jeter? Untouchable.
     
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    doyerfan MODERATOR Staff Member Moderator

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    Projecting someone to be all around better then Jeter is a very very dangerous thing to do.


    Also, Seager does seem like a real mature sweetheart. Here's what we know about Puig: obviously a lot of bad stuff about him has came out, and we also know the team has won a shitload with him. I also know that the team is funnest and enjoyable to watch from an energy standpoint when he's playing. Also, a manager should be the one you get to focus on creating a good clubhouse so you can focus on getting players based off talent not niceness
     
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    sleepy floyd DSP Regular Damned

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    Put it this way...personally, if the Marlins called about a Stanton/Seager swap I'd spend the next couple weeks trying to put together a package that does not involve Seager.

    Once upon a time George Steinbrenner was suspended from MLB and so he put a halt on all Yankee deals, which allowed his farm to rise to the majors. Now, if The Boss hadn't been suspended and taken out of the game for that little while he may have traded Jeter like he did to the rest for some guy who was more proven at the time. My man pretty much stumbled upon a dynasty because he got suspended. Point being, I'll be outside the stadium with a pitchfork doing all I can to get Kasten and/or Friedman suspended if I hear any Seager/trade rumblings. Maaaaan, FUNK THAT!
     
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    sleepy floyd DSP Regular Damned

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    It is, but that's what gets done by baseball people all the time.



    I'm not down on Puig like that..I just think he needs a move down in the order ( when Olivera/Seager eventually join). I'd like to see Puig either leadoff or hit 8th or 9th..taken out of as many high leverage situations as possible for now. I don't want to trade Puig either. This is not Puig vs. Seager to me.
     
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    granted, if puig were hitting well right now we're probably not having this conversation
    or at least not to this extent

    but a puig/sonny gray trade is a great suggestion doyer
    was going to say beane might actually be open to it since puig is so cheap... but gray is even cheaper
    maybe if we paid all of puig's salary and threw in some dip
     
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    We wonder why we can't score now.
     
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    I'm not saying he hasn't been one of the main keys to this team. He has. Thus far he hasn't hit good pitching consistently and has been embarrassed in the playoffs his first two years. He could turn it around. But saying I would consider trading him doesn't mean I want to dump him and be rid of him. I'm saying I really want cueto and Chapman.
     
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    In the small sample size of the playoffs, in total he's hit .314/.364/.412 in the playoffs. That's not embrassing himself. Idk how to prove or disprove he doesn't hit good pitching consistently

    I want Cueto and chapman too. Hopefully they like De Leon, Bellinger, or Holmes to use one as a headliner
     
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    fwiw
    seemed like we scored pretty well when puig was on the dl
    small sample size but still
    maybe there's something to the alleged disharmony when he's around after all
    or not
     
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    Cuban Pitcher Vladimir Gutierrez Declared Free Agent
    By Jeff Todd [July 7, 2015 at 4:25pm CDT]

    4:25pm: MLB.com’s Jesse Sanchez reports that Gutierrez will begin working out for teams next month, adding that his market likely won’t begin to take shape until that happens.

    4:09pm: Major league baseball has declared Cuban righty Vladimir Gutierrez a free agent,Baseball America’s Ben Badler reports. He has been seeking to become eligible to sign since defecting in February.

    Badler notes on Twitter that a number of scouts prefer Gutierrez’s total package to that of Yadier Alvarez, who just agreed to a $16MM bonus with the Dodgers. (That signing will require the Dodgers to also pay a 100% tax on that amount.) Like his countryman, Gutierrez will be subject to the international signing limits.












    A number of scouts prefer him over Alvarez? Wut? Fuck that. Sign him too.

    Or are we tapped out on INT cash? I've lost track.
     
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    It's because Alvarez is more raw... but sweet gentle Jesus the upside.
     
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    The whole team has been embarrassed in the playoffs.

    Might as well trade Kershaw while we're at it.

    Also, I'm pretty sure Puig is hitting above .300 in the postseason lol.
     
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    The idea of trading Puig, who, let's just forget about him being a top 10 talent in baseball, is cheap and controlled through 2019, for a rental and a relief pitcher doesn't make sense to me.
     
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    What am I saying? They're still in on Eddy Martinez, so they can't be tapped out
     
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