Grandal is a POS

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  1. THINKBLUE

    THINKBLUE DSP Gigolo

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    There I tried.

    :whistle:
     
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    Nirvanaskurdt DSP Legend

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    I wonder if Ellis will start game 1 of the NLDS?? Maybe Kershaw asks for Ellis although Grandal can frame better than anyone and that might be huge in the post-season.
     
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    Ellis was the master of last year's post season. Get him in there. Grandal's PEDs wore off.
     
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    Yea not a fan of ellis giving ck 5 to 7 extra pitches a night because he cant hold his glove still to get corner calls..
     
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    It doesn't work if you don't actually mean it TB...you have to put some real emotion in to it.
     
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    I get what you're saying, but the flip side is maybe the BP gets less pitches too, if AJ can knock a few runs in. Because whatever Grandal had, he sure doesn't have it anymore offensively. That was then, this is now.
    Guy is an auto-out these days. And five to seven might he a generous estimate with the framing, IMO.
    At least AJ gets some solid wood on the ball.
     
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    Cant discount what ellis bat has done recently. But id start grandal with ck and greinke and ellis with wood and anderson..youll need ellis bat more in those starts.. ck and greinke will save bp regardless
     
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    Interesting take on things...
     
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    irish DSP Staff Member Administrator

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    dodgerlove is right
    you gotta show some fire tb
    what happened to the volatile, mercurial TB we all know and [some homo] love?
    maybe you create another legendary kevin kennedy or david vagisil rant about yas?
    that might do it!
    c'mon man, for the team!!! :bitchslap:
     
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    It's not a take. A. J. is a beast in the postseason.

    In 14 postseason games he has 17 hits, 8 of which are for extra bases. His slash is ...get ready... .386/.481/.682/1.163.

    Yaz is the late inning replacement...unless there are runners on, then fuck his arm.
     
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  11. CapnTreee

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    I'd love to see AJ step up again in the postseason... or anytime for that matter
     
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    Agree, toally. There is no doubt that I believe AJ should start more games...indeed, as Charlie says.
    Actually, I never thought about PEDS and Grandal. I'm not suspicious enough, I guess.
    That take was interesting, I thought.
     
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    Well Grandahl was actually busted for PED use in S.D. a few years back. He was suspended.
     
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    Grandal will be announced as the starter at first but then he will be off the lineup late Friday with Ellis added in causing a bit of a change in the pitching game plan for the Mets. AJ then goes on to hit a Grand Slam ala James Loney in the 08' NLDS :cool:
     
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    Then, I am gullible to assume, a player would not be doing it again, if busted once before.
    I didn't know that about Grandal. His recent play certainly would indicate why.
    Oddly, never mentioned previously here at DSP during all the Yasmani adulation...yet other teams admonished for roider signings, like the Cardinals with Peralta for instance.
    I guess we are as scummy as they are after all is said and done...
     
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    We are talking about catchers here guys. Splits are almost ALWAYS lower in the 2nd halves for everyday catchers BUT AJ is hotter so it's a no-brainer. I'm still a skeptic of the whole pitch framing so take my opinion with a grain a salt. Pitcher's who are consistently in the strike zone "usually" get the calls anyway but that's just me.
     
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    If it's not Grandal's framing that helps Kershaw perform better than he does with Ellis then let's call it something else. The old term was receiving skills, but we can call it Bo Diddley for all I care. Really doesn't matter.

    Kershaw's 12 starts with Grandal (89 innings) - 1.62 ERA, opp BA .178, opp OBP .213
    Kershaw's 21 starts with Ellis (143.2 innings) - 2.44 ERA, opp BA .204, opp OBP .251

    We ride a dominant CK to the post every year. He was at his most dominant this year with Grandal behind the dish. Every number backs that up, old and new.

    But for the sake of the thread and what it was made for...Grandal is a POS. Fuck him. Never gon be shit!
     
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    :golfclap::isee: :applause:
     
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    It just happens that Ellis caught the three early season starts where Kershaw was doing who-knows-what and gave up 4+ ER in each. Those games clearly are having a significant drag on the stats you listed.

    But from July 1 to the present, when Clayton has downright dominated, here is his breakdown in games caught by the two:

    Grandal: 62 IP, 8 ER = 1.16 ERA
    Ellis: 63.2IP, 9 ER = 1.27 ERA

    The difference is negligible when he's at the top of his game. Give me the catcher with the hotter bat.

    One caveat to that, though. I still believe the Cardinals were stealing signs against him in the playoffs, something Ellis was unable to correct between 2013 and last year. If Grandal can do a better job in this regard, then I'm all for him starting in the NLCS if we meet them again. Although it is encouraging that Kersh threw 8 shutout innings this season vs STL with Ellis behind the plate.
     
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    Good call. I forgot all about the " oh shit, he's done " craze that CK started early on in the season. That stretch certainly helps Ellis' case. If he can keep CK at that level + not get his signs stolen ( which I believe as well) then I agree. I think it's probably safe to say that he'll swing the bat better than Grandal at this point. I get the feeling Grandal ain't gonna do shit, ain't gonna ever be shit.
     

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