DODGERS 2019 MINOR LEAGUE/PROSPECTS THREAD

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  1. THINKBLUE

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    204 PA for Gavin Lux in AAA
     
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    A reminder that Republicans voted to strip players of their fundamental rights as laborers.
     
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    Uh-oh.
    Sauce is here.

    I don't give a crap about what legislators do about this, R or D.

    It's on the owners, the league, the players, and the union to figure this out.

    If they don't, maybe the sport will disappear and that's the consequence.
    The greedy owners will lose their businesses and the players can find different careers.
    Zack Greinke can be a professor of public speaking, Yimi Garcia can flip burgers, Clayton can be a pastor, and Gavin Lux still won't be in MLB.

    Good businesses treat their employees well. If MLB is not one of them (which is a fair argument), fans should stop consuming the product and amateur players should go to college or get a different job instead. And maybe the league will change. Do not wait on bureaucrats to "fix" anything. Baseball is not a product people NEED, and its absence will not ruin society.
     
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    even karl marx hated when people took his literal terms and took them as symbols to be used to make hollow political analogies
    nba players are not laborers
    they are highly skilled tradesmen AND entertainers that often rise to cultural icons
    they are multifaceted entrepreneurs using their talents to exploit a product in a market
    there would be no oil/coal barons if there wasn't coal/oil to exploit and a market that wants to buy whatever coal/oil can help them generate $$$
    nba players are not laborers
     
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    MLB was breaking federal minimum-wage pay laws by paying the vast majority of minor league players less than minimum wage. That was until Congress passed a law (signed by the President) in early 2018 that made an exception to the law for minor league players. They are now considered salaried employees, even though their hourly rate is way below minimum-wage for the hours they are required to work.

    If you don't agree with minimum-wage laws in the first place, then it's easy to give a big FU to the players.

    But if you believe in minimum-wage, then Sauce's point is valid. MLB is basically dangling their major league contracts as a lottery ticket to get cheap labor on the field, in a way that is illegal in virtually any other industry.
     
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    I mention Sauce's name only because he rarely comments on anything that actually pertains to the Dodgers.
    I do not like minimum wage (although I am not a staunch opponent of it).
    Not being a fan of minimum wage, you can understand how that would not be my threshold for determining the salaries.
    I do agree, however, that those salaries are low, independant of any minimum wage/hours calculation.
    My point is that the root of the problem is the league and its owners not valuing its low level labor force, and a labor force who chooses to accept these wages and potential earnings over alternative careers. The problem was not created by legislation and it will not be solved by legislation.
    The difference would be negligible because they wont pay a penny more than they have to.
    If the owners believe happier and healthier players will give them a competitive advantage, I think we will see some movement there. If not...
    ...I believe the ones who will suffer the biggest consequence if/when minor-leaguers and fans stop participating....will be the owners.
    They will get what they deserve.
    But too many parties within the league itself (including the players) are complicit.
    Players see dollar signs down the road and are willing to take the risk.

    As much as I love success stories like Rich Hill and many others who became great players in their late 30s... If you make a decision to continue to play minor league baseball in your late 20s and early 30s instead of using your free will to go learn a skill and find a career that pays better....That's your choice. Minor league baseball is for 18-25 year olds (mostly) who would otherwise be students or just starting out anyways. I don't want them to starve, though (if they are), and the league should probably take a look at a realistic increase in pay.
     
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    First off, I like to give you right-wingers shit sometimes. I get the “let capitalism play it out” argument... but this was a case where congress went out of their way to help MLB owners at the expense of players. It was just a clear case of “these rich guys give us a lot of money, let’s hook them up” bullshit in politics.

    But hell, should we cry for a 20-year-old living his dream and playing ball everyday? Probably not.
     
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    Micro, I get you
    Macro, I just don't think it matters
     
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    so slaves then
     
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    Slaves is a bit much. These guys can leave anytime they want. But it’s a monopolized industry consisting of over 100 minor league teams that collude together so players are controlled by one organization and can’t really shop their skills around. If one company is going to monopolize an entire industry AND they get away with paying less than minimum wage... it’s not slavery but it’s fucked up.
     
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    huh?
    this country is so great that you can decide to play baseball for a living and even if you are mediocre at it you are still guaranteed to make a living
    just like the guy who is mediocre at flipping burgers
    except you get to play the game you love because you had that OPTION
    others dont have those options and have to flip burgers
    or go to the military
    or join a band
    or a gang
    baseball player is the most sure thing of all
    you get good education and are always out in the field but never having to work too hard just hard enough to have fun
    if you are 29 and you haven't made it to the bigs then you will have plenty of coaching jobs available to you at the very least
    schools love to hire ex minor leaguers
    americans love baseball and im sure the networking possibilities are huge if you are an ex player
     
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    So they are glorified interns?
     
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    it being 'fucked up' is not really much of anything
    is being a minor league baseball player in america really fucked up?

    what is club basketball, should those AAU kids get paid at least minimum wage?
    the NCAA is a huge business and pays nothing to its players.
    folks trying to make it to the show know its all about sacrifice
    remove the sacrifice and you will eventually kill the sport
    kill the golden goose and all that
    do yall forget this is showbusiness?
    you do not get paid for the hours you train
    your coaches do not charge you for the hours they train you
    if you decide to toss the ball around after the game do you get paid overtime?
    what about coming in on off days?
    entitlement kills
     
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    no.
    they are just interns
    glory should come later
     
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    All jobs are a stepping stone to another job. Your arguments are against minimum wage in general.
     
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    No way on both counts.
    Jobs are you selling yourself for a set wage to do the work for the person paying you so he can profit off of your labor.
    They are mutually beneficial forms of slavery. If you are a good slave and have a good boss then you are in good company.
    To most job seekers they are not stepping stones. If you have some entitlement then yeah, most jobs available to you are stepping stones.
    As are most other choices/options.
    99% of people just have to go to the same job they have been going for the past 5 years.

    And I have said nothing about minimum wage.
    Its not like minimum wage is going anywhere.
    They are not removing the minimum wage.
    If anything it will keep rising.
    How else are you gonna prosecute the war on the poor if you don't price them out of the job market?
    The end result in a war on the poor is the death of the poor who are the enemy.
    We need 20 dollar an hour minimum wage so that all the small businesses can't compete with the big ones who can afford to take the temporary loss while the small guys go out of business.
    And so there will be no jobs available for poor uneducated folks which is good if you want half the population on welfare.
    Then they will ask for a bachelors degree in order to get an interview at your $20 per hour job delivering pizza.
    We don't want just any non college educated bachelors running around our neighborhoods handling our pepperoni.
     
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    can't believe you bkitches are arguing over pasta
    smh
     
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    Another fantastic start for Josiah Gray: 5IP, 4H, 1R, 2BB and 9Ks.
     
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    this front office is so damn good at trades (now, if they could only be better at free agency...)
     
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    Truth be told, the best moves in free agency are often the ones not made. For example, Seager is basically matching Machado in bWAR and Verdugo the same with Harper. Of course, Muncy is destroying them all.

    One year samples and all, but 10+ year deals rarely turn out well when the player is closer to 30 than 20, the exception of course is Mike Trout.
     
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