Discussion in 'Los Angeles DODGERS' started by ColoradoKidWitGame, Jan 4, 2019.
Micro, I get you
Macro, I just don't think it matters
so slaves then
Slaves is a bit much. These guys can leave anytime they want. But it’s a monopolized industry consisting of over 100 minor league teams that collude together so players are controlled by one organization and can’t really shop their skills around. If one company is going to monopolize an entire industry AND they get away with paying less than minimum wage... it’s not slavery but it’s fucked up.
this country is so great that you can decide to play baseball for a living and even if you are mediocre at it you are still guaranteed to make a living
just like the guy who is mediocre at flipping burgers
except you get to play the game you love because you had that OPTION
others dont have those options and have to flip burgers
or go to the military
or join a band
or a gang
baseball player is the most sure thing of all
you get good education and are always out in the field but never having to work too hard just hard enough to have fun
if you are 29 and you haven't made it to the bigs then you will have plenty of coaching jobs available to you at the very least
schools love to hire ex minor leaguers
americans love baseball and im sure the networking possibilities are huge if you are an ex player
So they are glorified interns?
it being 'fucked up' is not really much of anything
is being a minor league baseball player in america really fucked up?
what is club basketball, should those AAU kids get paid at least minimum wage?
the NCAA is a huge business and pays nothing to its players.
folks trying to make it to the show know its all about sacrifice
remove the sacrifice and you will eventually kill the sport
kill the golden goose and all that
do yall forget this is showbusiness?
you do not get paid for the hours you train
your coaches do not charge you for the hours they train you
if you decide to toss the ball around after the game do you get paid overtime?
what about coming in on off days?
they are just interns
glory should come later
All jobs are a stepping stone to another job. Your arguments are against minimum wage in general.
No way on both counts.
Jobs are you selling yourself for a set wage to do the work for the person paying you so he can profit off of your labor.
They are mutually beneficial forms of slavery. If you are a good slave and have a good boss then you are in good company.
To most job seekers they are not stepping stones. If you have some entitlement then yeah, most jobs available to you are stepping stones.
As are most other choices/options.
99% of people just have to go to the same job they have been going for the past 5 years.
And I have said nothing about minimum wage.
Its not like minimum wage is going anywhere.
They are not removing the minimum wage.
If anything it will keep rising.
How else are you gonna prosecute the war on the poor if you don't price them out of the job market?
The end result in a war on the poor is the death of the poor who are the enemy.
We need 20 dollar an hour minimum wage so that all the small businesses can't compete with the big ones who can afford to take the temporary loss while the small guys go out of business.
And so there will be no jobs available for poor uneducated folks which is good if you want half the population on welfare.
Then they will ask for a bachelors degree in order to get an interview at your $20 per hour job delivering pizza.
We don't want just any non college educated bachelors running around our neighborhoods handling our pepperoni.
can't believe you bkitches are arguing over pasta
Another fantastic start for Josiah Gray: 5IP, 4H, 1R, 2BB and 9Ks.
this front office is so damn good at trades (now, if they could only be better at free agency...)
Truth be told, the best moves in free agency are often the ones not made. For example, Seager is basically matching Machado in bWAR and Verdugo the same with Harper. Of course, Muncy is destroying them all.
One year samples and all, but 10+ year deals rarely turn out well when the player is closer to 30 than 20, the exception of course is Mike Trout.
The start to the year for Dodgers prospects was pretty rocky outside of a few. As the season has come along, a few dudes have really started to turn some heads. Some notes on a few of them:
Josiah Gray- We all know about the great year he has had. The graduation of Will Smith put Gray into the MLB Pipeline Top 100 the other day. One updated scouting report had him upgraded from back rotation/high leverage reliever upside to "mid rotation starter or better". That is a huge compliment as that "or better" is not usually thrown around, especially for pitchers already graded with mid rotation upside so they feel that he is still evolving as a pitcher.
Jeter Downs- Had a mediocre start to his Dodgers career, but he has been on a tear since April and is getting graded very highly for his hard contact rate. He has gotten the promotion to AA and has already hit 3 long balls in his first 8 games. There are concerns about his contact rate, but others think he still could turn himself into a solid starting 2B option. He is floating on the periphery of some Top 100 lists and could see himself on a few with a strong AA showing and I'd guess a look in the AFL.
Diego Cartaya - Keith Law recently opined that the Dodgers #1 2018 Int'l signing has already shown that he is worthy of enough comfort that the club should trade Keibert Ruiz. Other reports are basically saying that he is going to be a monster and should be a Top 50 prospect no later than midway through next season. At 17, he has a combined .281/.343/.432 slash line and oh man is that swing pretty.
Miguel Vargas- This is another potential monster in the making. Vargas has one of the smoothest swings already in MiLB at the ripe old age of 19 and he is more than holding his own in HiA. He got off to a slow start in the chilly MWL before going on an absolute tear and getting promoted and now he has been tearing shit up in Rancho after a slow start there as well. The biggest knock on Vargas is that he has displayed little power for a guy slated for either 3B or 1B. Most folks I see think he is going to figure it out, in the meantime he has put up a .311/.385/.447 slash line against much older competition.
Edwin Uceta- This was another player who started the year on a tear, got promoted, got humbled and then started shutting down the competition. Uceta has been on a roll in Tulsa have a legit start to the season in HiA Rancho. Uceta still gets downgraded for his small stature, but for the most part has been a pretty dominant force since joining the org. Still just 21, Uceta could continue to build into an interesting prospect.
Gerardo Carrillo - He has had an up and down season with Rancho, but has a 4 pitch mix that shows enough upside for a potential future rotation piece. DodgersNation went and saw him the other day and had a positive report on his progression this season. He is probably closing in on his innings limit for the year, but he will be one of the more intriguing pitching prospects going into 2020.
Andre Jackson- Jackson fits the profile of many other Dodgers recent pitching pickups in that he is a fairly athletic dude. He never pitched full time until last season where he had a rough introduction to professional ball, but this year he has been getting the attention of a lot of scouts. The dude has been a K machine this year and does a good job of keeping the ball on the ground. He still has control issues, but his stuff is mid rotation upside at present. He could be a big one to watch in 2020.
John Rooney- Unlike a lot of the aforementioned pitchers in here, Rooney is more of a finesse pitcher. Even at 6'5", the big lefty tends to sit in the low 90's with his FB and gets by with a bit more deception. He has worked over both A levels he has been at this year posting a 2.48 ERA in 27 starts. One thing that could be interesting to watch is if the Dodgers send him to Driveline in the offseason. They usually select a group of prospects to send to the academy to try to bolster velocity. They have mostly avoided doing this with their top prospects, but Rooney could be a necessary exception to their plan.
Jeren Kendall- This one is not all that pretty yet, but if you have seen progression videos like I have, you can tell this guy is making gradual changes to his overhauled swing. Kendall has finally started to use his lower half in his swing and from that he has seen a boost to his power numbers. He still K's at an incredibly unhealthy rate, but you can see why as his mechanics are still a horrid mess... THOUGH THEY'RE GETTING BETTER. Since the beginning of June, his power numbers have spiked and in August he is having the best month of his professional career. He is now 23 and in HiA, but the dude is a tremendous athlete and as we have seen, guys can still have huge careers after very very slow starts. Continuing to integrate his lower half and developing a better swing is still key, and if he does he could still become a monster prospect.
One other note, the Dodgers system is routinely checking in around the 3-5 org rankings. FG has them as #3, but #1 in pure talent from a depth standpoint. They only have the Braves and Padres ahead of us with more elite talent, but more significant dropoffs after that.
Gavin Lux was named BA’s player of the year in MiLB and was first team all MiLB. Second team all MiLB had Jeter Downs as its SS. The Dodgers in general had 9 BA All League players across the MiLB ranks on top of those two awards.
For those that haven’t been following closely, Downs had a terrible start to his Dodgers career and basically since about mid May, he has been an absolute force to be reckoned with. After a promotion to AA, he took things to another level and has turned Even more heads. Another Dodgers MIF prospect did something similar a year ago(Lux) and it would be very interesting to see where this explosion could take this potential rising star. Most scouts feel that Downs is destined for 2B as he has a fairly mediocre arm and slower reactions for that side of the diamond. Rising belief is he will be a bat first 2B that drives the gaps religiously, but could suffer from high K totals.
How the club handles Downs will be interesting. Do they develop him in AA and AAA next year as the Turner replacement? Or do they use him as a prodigious trade piece to land a front line starter? Downs stock has risen from UTL to 2nd/3rd tier starter to potential first tier starter all in the span of one year. The FO has once again shown that if anything, their ability to find and develop talent is easily their best asset.
Half truth. I mean, we definitely know that McCarthy shouldn't have happened..ditto for Kazmir. But how many times has a team on the doorstep of winning a WS handed out a monster contract to a star FA in his prime with designs on that putting them over the top for multiple WS titles? Can't say off the top of my head, but we just saw one example of it and they slammed it home against us..JD Martinez/Sox. Wonder if the Red Sox regret giving JD Martinez his contract since his decline has already somewhat begun..
Not that Martinez made any sense for the Dodgers. Just an example. And the Sox are actually reportedly tossing around the idea of trading Martinez. Which brings about the question..why can't LAD just do that? Why can't they hand down a monster contract, accomplish their goal, and then ditch the guy if they want a couple years later? And another example..Justin Verlander. Because money played a major part in the Dodgers not trading for Verlander as well, when he was practically begging to be a Dodger.
Yes, these are 1 year sample sizes, but also..are we going to be so simple that we believe it's a guarantee that Harper or Machado would be performing the way they are this season for a better organization with more talent surrounding them? Shockingly, Verlander found his best baseball when he joined a perennial WS contender in Houston, right? Wrong. Not shocking.
But again, you are correct that most times the best moves in FA are the ones that aren't made. However, that's because those signings aren't putting those teams over the top in terms of the ultimate goal..like cosmetic changes to a person with a shit diet. The Dodgers, however, are stacked with talent and perennial WS favorites like the Red Sox, and so they are in a different situation than your Padres/Phillies/Rockies/etc. And there are obviously more teams that are in the Padres/Phillies/Rockies category because this is MLB..parity is shit.
Which brings us back around to asking what's really important to this ownership group? Because Guggenheim will overpay guys..we know this..we've seen this quite a bit. They just pick the lesser talented guys and overpay a handful of those guys, as opposed to going big for the stars in their prime. And when they get to the WS VS. the Astros, Sox..Yankees..they run up against teams with stars in their prime and they're outgunned. But they don't care about their lack of stars in their prime because attendance is great. Kasten answered that question..now, can't you just wait until they've denied fans of star FA talents in their prime, only to also deny homegrown Lux of postseason ABs that he deserves this fall? Which way is up? The question that hasn't been answered in 30 years.
The pic is sort of soul wrenching, so I wouldn't say great
It really is @Fall Winslow. I understand not going after Harper, but IMO there was no excuse to not sign Kimbrel. Verlander is a great example. The front office might be good at finding the Morrows, Taylors and Muncys of the world, but they suck at adding talent via Free Agency.
The Harper thing was so weird. I definitely don't believe that the LAD FO met with Harper twice just for the sake of meeting with him. They wanted him because he's a star talent in his prime, but they didn't like the price. I'm all about depth, but I'm more so behind the philosophy of trading for it and developing it on the farm. Not grabbing a handful of mediocre guys/fading FAs and overpaying them..and thereby crippling yourself when a potential difference maker hits the market and is banging down your door.
But all in all, I really didn't mean to be a buzzkill. Carry on with the future and such, men.
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