Hanley wants an extension

lol

 

Tell him to call Jimmy Johnson. He might be able to help if he still has that endorsement.

 

First off steroids are banned in sports bc they are illegal and very dangerous, it has nothing to do with competitive advantage.if steroids were legal than they would be allowed in all professional sports.there's no doubt that steroids will help things like recovering from injury or just plain recovery time in between games, which is why your see alot of pitchers use them and that would be the answer to your lance armstrong mention.since you brought up jose canseco if your read his books he specifically states that hes dont feel steroids helped him play better but they gave him the psychological edge to make him play better.there's a reason that for every big name player you hear connected to steroids whether it be past or present you have 100 no namers listed.hell most of the guys you mentioned were HOF players before their suspected steroid usage, guys like mcgwire, bonds, arod, etc.

 

And since you brought up age, hank aaron's best year for hr/ab was at age 39, willie stargell's best seasons came after he turned 37, carlton fisk best at age 40, and ty cobb's at 38.are they steroid users? Or do older players start swinging for the fences more bc they're legs are failing?

 

PhilsPhanatic,
Usually enjoy your work
But this is absurd

 

I respectfully agree here. I just don't even know what else to say anymore.
He claims it gives no benefit, yet names a couple, "like recovering from injury or just plain recovery time in between games" and then the "psychological edge to make him play better". Well why would that be? Well, feeling fresh, invigorated, stronger, faster, healthy would all contribute to that "psychological edge to make him play better".

I'm pretty much done with this "debate"...not to be a dick, but I feel like I'm trying to prove the Earth is flat, or that we actually did landed on the moon. I just can't actually prove it myself, but there's proof all over the place.

 

I liked, unliked, and then liked again so I could like your post twice.

 

I didnt say no benefit, but as for on field performance there is none.i'll say its again, look at the list of players suspended and even the mitchell report and you'll see for every bonds, sosa, or mcgwire there's a hundred mediocre, at best, players.also, you'll find more pitchers because of the increased recovery time in between starts and from injuries.

 

You are right, and many of those "mediocre" players wouldn't be in the majors. Two I know of are Paul LoDuca and Eric Gagne. Both sucked ass until they got the drugs and suddenly grew strong and powerful. I'm telling you, Gagne was a complete piece of garbage before and LoDuca was a career minor leaguer at best. G.Mota...another guy that was decent...but used...probably would've struggled to make a major league roster.

Minor leagues or mediocre player making millions? I'd take the drugs too. I don't blame these guys...I blame baseball and the Union. Nowadays, I blame the player.

 

i did anabolic steroids for a little over a month when i was at my peak weight training. like 20 years ago.
i can tell you from a first hand experience in a short amount of time it made a huge difference in my strength, endurance and recovery.
i also lost control of my ability to control my emotions especially anger. i sweat like a pig and my heart raced. i had experience w black beauties to that point so i had a decent idea how to keep my head while my mind raced but nothing like the steroids. i tried to sell the rest i had purchased and eventually tossed them.
if you can live with the psychotic nature of them there is no doubt as an athlete you would improve.
thats what makes it easy to understand why a young guy on the verge would do it for that big contract.
he can always stop. like eithier. and probably not have long term damage.

 

The argument is not "Do steroids help or don't they?", it's "Exactly how much do they help?" And since that is unquantifiable, I do not and will never care if a player used steroids or not. Barry Bonds is the second greatest baseball player to ever step on the field, Gary Bennett had a career .630 OPS. Both took steroids.

 

look at gagne and you have your answer. why isn't he the greatest reliever ever? cause he ROIDED. and i know bonds was good but second best ever??? wigga please.
and your comparison of bennet is lame. so what he wasn't as good as bonds to begin with. without roids bennet never makes the show. bonds went from above average to super human. its pretty damn obvious.

 

Semi agree

Bonds went from Hall of Famer to super duper mega MLB 2k hall of fame. He was always epic. But getting better in his mid 30s is chemically induced for sure.

 

i think you can make an argument for him juicing in his mid 20s. no way we ever know for sure. he was a unique player no doubt.

 

It's "pretty damn obvious" steroids made Bonds go from above average to super human? That's ridiculous IMO. Not you or I or anyone or Barry Bonds himself knows how much better steroids made him. Saying anything else is presumptuous and unfair.

 

saying it didn't is equally unfair imo. the whole league was doing it and probably still is to some degree. bonds just pumped it up to the highest degree. shit he physically changed in a major way!
your right there is no way to measure it. the only way would be if he didn't do it but he did.
like i said i have a small but personal experience. it was significant. anyone who is honest that has done steroids will tell you it is a lot more than drinking a red bull friend.

 

Thats two examples, there's how many other players on the mitchell report that I garantee most if not all of us wouldnt recognize.