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  1. borat

    borat DSP Legend

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    thats all in lakerland. Hopefully we can keep our pick. Hopefully we get really lucky and can get towns or okafor.

    With the emergence of clarkson. Randle andbone of those two, wed actually have some young pieces to lure a real max guy next year or the year after.
     
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    CapnTreee ...disgusted...

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    Our needs are sooooooo much deeper than this draft
     
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    TAFNAC Cossack Staff Member Administrator

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    Sad state of affairs that a second rounder bought for cash last year looks like our best player going into next year.

    So if the Lakers go 3-4-5 in this draft (most likely) and neither of Towns and Okafor are available, do you draft by best available player and select one of the point guards (Mudaiy, Russell), even though PG (Clarkson) is their shallowest hole?

    What do you do if they lose the pick--about 17% chance? Re-tank and suffer through another lost year?
     
  4. harkeyed

    harkeyed DSP Legend

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    Gotta go BPA this year and next. It's likey that we will see a repeat of this years team in 2015-16 regardless of who we pick. Heck, we do not even know if Randle is any good. Hurt first real game doesn't tell us much. Besides, we are the Lakers, we should ALWAYS be able to lure top F/A's...

    Ona side note, is it just me or does anyone else think that Kobe is done? I mean, he'll play next season, but his days of being a top 15 player are over, right?
     
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    TAFNAC Cossack Staff Member Administrator

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    Yeah, Kobe is done. Best case going forward is Vince Carter for the Mavs/Grizz the last few years. Can be good in stretches, but really a role player.

    If the Lakers get a top-2 pick (~22% chance) things look decent going forward, but not for a couple years. Towns/Okafor both look like they'll be good, but it will take a couple years. Look at Anthony Davis...he didn't really start to be great until midway through his second year....and I don't think any of Towns/Okafor/Randle are nearly as good as Davis. Those guys will all take 2-3 years to be good if they're going to be good. Still holes to fill at SF, SG, PG going forward, but you can do that with free agents if there is a good young base.

    If the Lakers go 3-4-5 (~60% chance), you probably draft a PG (Russell or Mudaiy) and have a crowded back-court and holes at C, PF (probably) and SG...it looks like another year of tank, but I think next year's pick is only top 3 protected.

    If the Lakers lose the pick (~17% chance) it's almost certainly going to be a re-tank, since they keep their pick next year.

    I think in every case, next year is a lost year, then hope for free agents in 2016 with the new cap limit.
     
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    CapnTreee ...disgusted...

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    Agreed that Kobe is toast... a part time impact at best

    I would MUCH rather fill a 5 or a 4 slot than a 2 but that sort of talent isn't in every draft.

    More importantly I'm done with the tanking.
    Byron Scott needs to light a fire under this crew and MAKE something happen to make us playoff worthy.

    Stat.
     
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    TAFNAC Cossack Staff Member Administrator

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    I'm not sure a coaching staff of John Wooden, Phil Jackson and Saint Peter could have got much out of the current roster.
    And I don't really see any difference makers coming to the Lakers in FA this time.
    Heard rumors about Jimmy Butler, but don't see how the Bulls don't match.
    Love would be nice, but don't see that happening, and I'm not sure he'd make that much of a difference.
    LMA...not sure I even want him.
    DeAndre Jordan would be nice, but not sure I can stomach another center that can't shoot FTs.
     
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    I think we all are but the sad truth is that we have Randle (jury still out to me) and Clarkson (would he start on any playoff team this year?) to build around. I really think we need to lower our expections for the next 3-4 years because they are going to be lowered for us. We draft (fill in the blank) now we have 2 starters and a roll player (clarkson) for down the road. He'll start for now because that's the best we have. Another top 5 pick next draft and hopefully a couple of F/A signings. That could get us to the 7-8th seed in thew playoffs...

    Meanwhile, enjoy the Clipper jinx. With a crappy performance like last night, this will ALWAYS be a Laker town.
     
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    yup
    i know some people who [with the lakers sucking] have jumped on the clipper bandwagon
    i don't get them, no loyalty
    to me, unless there are extreme circumstances [like the rams moving], you should be a fan of that team for life
    no flip-flopping when times are bad
    i wouldn't do that -- i couldn't do that
    not how i'm wired
    i don't hate the clippers and, tbh, was kinda rooting for them yesterday...
    that said, i chuckled my ass off when i heard they'd lost
     
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    I actually do hate the Clippers and wish Balmer would move them out of LA. They don't belong. The new Clipper fans drive me crazy. Were they fans five years ago, I doubt it. Just jumping on the bandwagon because the Clippers are suddenly the better team. That said, the Clippers are still an afterthought in LA. If the Lakers lost like the Clippers there would be outrage on the message boards. For the Clippers there was indifference. When the Lakers still receive more than double the Tv ratings than the Clippers despite the Lakers being one of the worst teams I have seen, it tells you the Clippers have no place in LA.

    And now for the Lakers, great result: second pick. Either Towns or Okafor. Gives us a good base with a young center and power foward, and a decent future 2 in Clarkson( he is not a 1). Next year will be better but not good. Once Kobe is gone and we have a ton of FA money to spend with the young base, we could get better quickly
     
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    i think the common denominator we all agree on is that kobe has overstayed his welcome
    the sooner he moves on, the sooner we can begin getting better for the future
     
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    I'm fucking telling you.
    Justice Winslow

    Call me out in two or three years.

    I'm telling you
     
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    TAFNAC Cossack Staff Member Administrator

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    I'm feeling pretty good about getting Towns, or more likely Okafor, but that ends the DeAndre Jordan sweepstakes for the Lakers.

    Okafor
    Randle
    ????--FA?
    Bryant
    Clarkson

    If they could somehow steal Jimmy Butler or Kawhi Leonard...wow that would be nice.
    Jordan Hill and the the 27th pick for Lance Stephenson?
     
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    Why do you want Lance Stephenson?
    He shot 37% from the floor and only 62% from the FT stripe last season... not such good stats for a #2

    And while Jordan Hill has only periodic flashes of competence I'd still be reluctant to let him go for an sub par, or average at best, #2. Don't trade a big body for a smaller one unless the smaller one is tits.

    And if you want a new #2 does that mean you're done with the Swaggy P test?
     
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    CapnTreee ...disgusted...

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    With the #2 pick it seems that Okafor is a lock as Towns is going #1 ... sooooo

    what is the best strategy for the #27 pick to augment Okafor?




    ...whoever is left by then?

    Is this years class so light that by #27 it's a wash??
     
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    He had a bad year last year--which is why he might be available. His numbers were better in Indy. He's also a good defender that can guard any of the perimeter positions. Something the Lakers desperately need.

    Even though he's a UofA guy, I'm not very impressed with Jordan Hill. Also assuming the starting front court next year is Randle and Okafor (or Towns), all the sudden you're paying a bench guy $9M/year. Stephenson can come in and start at the 2/3 spot next year for the same price.

    I think I'm one of the few that actually likes Swaggy P, but I'm pretty sure Byron Scott is done with him.
     
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    Pretty much. A bunch of guys that were expected to come out early decided to stay in school. This draft gets really thin after about #20.
    Don't expect to get much in the way of a contributor with the #27 or #34 picks.
     
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    CapnTreee ...disgusted...

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    Not that one can normally expect much from a #27 or #34...


    ...unless Jerry West is involved
     
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    I have to give Mitch some credit.
    He found both Marc Gasol and Jordan Clarkson in the 2nd round.
     
  20. Chiefdodgerslkrs24

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    It is the #27 pick. You can't expect anything more than a decent bench player at that pick.
     

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