Puerto Rico honors presidents with statues; guess which ones

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  1. LAdiablo descarado

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    Puerto Rico honors Obama, LBJ visits with statues

    [IMG]Associated Press – 4 hrs ago
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    SAN JUAN, Puerto Rico (AP) — Puerto Rican officials marked Presidents Day by unveiling bronze statues of U.S. President Barack Obama and former President Lyndon B. Johnson, pointedly noting that people who live on the island can't vote in the U.S. general election and lack other basic rights.
    The two life-size statues are the newest additions to the "Avenue of Heroes," outside the capitol building in the U.S. island territory. The statues honor every sitting president who ever visited Puerto Rico, dating back to Theodore Roosevelt.
    Obama became the ninth when he visited in June, said Kenneth McClintock, secretary of state for Puerto Rico.
    Resident Commissioner Pedro Pierluisi, who represents Puerto Rico in the U.S. Congress but has limited voting powers, said the Obama administration has been helpful to Puerto Rico, including it in economic stimulus funding and health reform, among other initiatives.
    But he and other officials who spoke at the ceremony complained about a lack of other basic rights, including representation in the U.S. Senate and the right to vote in the general presidential election.
    "The president of the United States is an important figure to Puerto Ricans despite the fact that we aren't able to elect him," said Pierluisi, who favors making the island the 51st U.S. state. "... Puerto Rico and its nearly 4 million American citizens deserve to enjoy all the benefits and responsibilities that our fellow citizens enjoy."
    Puerto Ricans can vote in primaries but not the general election though island residents are U.S. citizens.
    The new statues of Obama and Johnson are part of a broader $1 million project to improve the Avenue of the Heroes, a broad boulevard along the south side of the neoclassical capitol building.
    (This version CORRECTS that Obama was ninth president to visit, not eighth.)
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  2. CapnTreee ...disgusted...

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    Having recently been to Puerto Rico let me be the first to say... FUCK YOU!! Come on we KNOW you want to be the 51st state. Hello? Hello? Earth to Puerto Rico... there is no 51st state!! And there isn't likely to be one anytime soon. But you can still keep pretending... We like you being a nice, semi clean, warm vacation destination, and some of you try to speak English but State... I think not. Who is feeding these people what line of BS? Just because the Bacardi distillery is there doesn't make you a state. On the other hand it ain't hurting your chances either... so keep the rum flowing.
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    been there too. sure seems a lot like a state in some areas. old san juan is really gorgeous. its easy. start paying taxes and become a state. but i would imagine the average puerto rican is more than a little embarrassed to have erected statues to arguably two of the worst presidents in history. why not a dubya while you were at it?
  4. Rube DSP Regular

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    lol

    alaska should lose its statehood and the entire caribbean should become a US state
    as a last hoorah before it goes under water
  5. CapnTreee ...disgusted...

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    Rube what in the heck are you going on about now? Why should Alaska lose statehood? What did they do to upset you?

    It's just about the last US frontier with all sorts of (exploitation) possibilities...
  6. craig Nerd

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    Why shouldn't Puerto Rico be a state? It would be one of the smaller states in area (Deleware and Rhode Island would be smaller) but it would around the middle in population, so its clearly not too small to be a state. Why shouldn't the residents there have the illusion of participating in a democracy, just like the rest of us.
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    Why shouldn't the Marshall Islands be a state?
    Why shouldn't Guam be a state?
    Why shouldn't Tortola be a state?
    Why shouldn't any locale where we've ever overstayed our welcome be a state?

    Perhaps participating in the illusion of contributing to a democracy isn't adequate grounds for becoming a state...
  8. craig Nerd

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    I'm still waiting for an answer why PR shouldn't be a state.
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    Same reason as Guam...
    Same reason as Marshall Islands...

    What do you define as "big enough"? Peru?

    "If they want to be a state then they should be" Where did you misplace your logic in that reply?

    And while Alaska (immense resources, strategic position) and Hawaii (awesome resort, strategic position) are non-contiguous states they had plenty of history and strategic reasons for being granted statehood.

    Puerto Rico has few. What does the US gain from them being a 51st state? I can think of a bevy of losses but not many gains.
  10. craig Nerd

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    How can you even mention logic in your post and then patently ignore it by repeating illogical assertions that reflect your opinion rather than any meaningful reason.

    You do realize that the Marshall Islands are an independent country, right? They have chosen not to be a state.

    As for "big enough" that's already been covered in post #6 in this thread. Feel free to re-read it.

    A possession that is larger than many states in both population and geographic size (big enough!) is reasonably American in culture and wants to be a state seems like a reasonable candidate to me.

    The house of representatives agrees. H.R. 2499 allows Puerto Rico to determine if it wants to go on the way it is, be independent or be a state.
  11. Rube DSP Regular

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    alaska and hawaii are states because of political reasons
    its all about the electoral college vote
    thats about the only way PR can become a state
    to ensure some old white guy wins the presidency some time in the future
    although i doubt PR will ever be given statehood
    too many brown people

    in the good old days we would have just replaced a good portion of the puerto ricans with real americans and wait a few generations
    by then the native puerto ricans would be reduced to being a social minority while being an ethnic majority, like mexicans
  12. Tragic Johnson Member

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    :headscratch:

    Puerto Rico is 75% white! (same as Alaska)

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Puerto_Rico

    Hawaii is 24% white
  13. Rube DSP Regular

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    yeah tragic... same as alaska right?

    an apple is a fruit, just like an orange is a fruit so therefore an orange are an apple are pretty much the same
    im technically right, but its still a ridiculous statement to make unless i want to insult peoples intelligence
  14. Tragic Johnson Member

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    Well, insulting people's intelligence has never been a deterrent for you in this or any other forum.

    And your fruit analogy applies to "brown people" too. "Brown people" in Central America, the Middle East, or other parts of the world, is not the same as "brown people" in Puerto Rico and, worst of all, you know this!!! Puerto Rico is not a state of the union for many reason. Being full of so called "brown people" is not one of them, saying it is insults people's intelligence.
  15. Rube DSP Regular

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    point is you know what i mean
    the only people im talking about are you and me
    you know what i mean by brown people
    i was actually going to say that puerto rico has too many mexicans but i figured someone would be all 'theres no mexicans in puerto rico!'

    you said alaska and puerto rico are similar
    75% white
    except the whites from alaska are english, french, german, irish, etc... in other words americans
    not english americans, not german americans... just white
    whites in puerto rico are from spanish, mexican, cuban, venezuelan, etc... but ultimately they mostly come from spanish immigrants who colonized the american lands centuries before the rest of europe

    im mexican
    im also caucasian
    the majority of my genetics are from spanish jews
    but in the US im a brown person
    just like famous mexican singer luis miguel who is actually half puerto rican himself
    we are technically white, but we are of course considered by most as not white

    puerto rico is a foreign people, they speak a foreign language and they have foreign customs
    they are not white according to our culture
    they might check off white-hispanic or whatever our current census bureau labels it, but nobody in america thinks of puerto ricans as white people
    and that is what was ridiculous coming from you
    its either 'does tragic really think america views puerto ricans as white' or 'is tragic just trying to score a cheap point by dropping that type of bill o reilly type comment' ?

    puerto rico will never be a state unless it changes its culture, language, and half of its people
    cuba figured that out a long time ago
    thats why the US treats cuba like if it was nazi germany while at the same time secretly trading with burma for years

    even though yes, technically people in the middle east and elsewhere are also brown
    iranians are the color brown just like arabs... and i guess they think americans have a problem telling arabs, mexicans, filipinos from persians
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    fwiw i have toured puerto rico and while you are right the people have a slightly different culture, the place is remarkably like an american city. the history of old san juan and the main city aside it is like a shanty town in the outskirts.
  17. Rube DSP Regular

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    personally i think it makes sense that puerto rico becomes an independent country
    but cmon, how can anyone think that puerto rico could become a US state when the senate proposes bills that forces state and local governments/schools to operate/teach/publish in english only
    it would be cool, but i dont see how it could possibly ever happen
    again, unless its done as a maneuver to get the right guy in the oval office
    money talks and lobbyists are the only people in this country with the power to convince the government to allow puerto rico and its EC votes
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    i don't think the majority of puerto ricans want to become a state. then they'd have to actually pay taxes.
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    So I guess it's true, no matter what the topic is, Ruven will somehow manage to bring up Fox News and Jews.
    :facepalm:

    I was simply pointing out what I considered to be a ridiculous statement made by you, that Puerto Rico could not become a state of the union because it has too many "brown people".

    First, to the issue what is and isn't white. Yes, you are right, Puerto Ricans are not as white as Alaskans, but they are not as brown as Guatemalans either. Also, not all white people look like Dolph Lundgren. People from Portugal, Greece, and Italy have an "ethnic" look to them, yet they are considered white. Puerto Ricans have more of that look than they have the mestizo look, which is what you were implying with your "brown people" comment. You can't compare a Puerto Rican to a Peruvian, which is basically what you were doing. Sure Puerto Ricans don't look German, but neither do all white people. They are classified as white for a reason!

    Second, the so called hate or aversion Americans have towards something different than themselves. If Americans wouldn't want Puerto Rico as a state because of all the "brown people", why didn't they have the same issue with Hawaii and all the brown South Pacific inhabitants? Not only that, but these particular "brown people" were not even Christian! You brought up how Puerto Ricans are a "foreign people". Wasn't that the case with Hawaii?

    For a country that just elected a half black president, and where whites are on their way to becoming a minority in a couple of generations, it is just asinine to claim another country would be rejected as a state because it is full of "brown people". To me that statement reeks of insecurity about your own race. I don't understand that defensive point of view where every decision someone else makes about you is seen as being reliant on your race. I grew up in a "brown people" country and saw people being treated worst by their own "brown people" than the way so called white racists in the US treat "brown people". I don't function that way. That is not to say race never plays a role, just not in EVERY case.

    Last, you are Mexican?!?! That's news to me, I thought you were half Salvadorean.
  20. Rube DSP Regular

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    i brought up jews?
    i dont even think i brought up fox, did i?

    you continue to do the same thing tragic, you know exactly what i mean yet go to other stuff
    of course its a race issue
    you can splice race into whatever many different things you want
    but you know what im talking about
    you know what i mean by brown
    in our country brown people mean everyone from latin america
    the color of your skin has nothing to do with you being brown
    just like black people arent really black and white people arent really white
    there are no black people and no white people
    just shades of brown
    some dark and some light
    my skin is not white, your skin is not white, we might even be of the same skin color
    but if my parents are from south of the border and i look mexican then im brown
    no matter how light skinned i am or how fair my features are
    ricky martin is as european as can be... he's puerto rican therefore he is brown
    not my rules man, thats just how it is here
    and everywhere
    yes i know that there is racism in all societies, even thought without white people (although if you trace it back you find that the racism was instituted by european settlers who were very racist)

    i am half salvadoran and half mexican, its not ok to call myself mexican?
    ive always considered myself mexican even though ive never had much contact with my mexican family, it was all salvy all the time for me growing up

    if you seriously dont know why alaska and hawaii were made states then i cant help you out man
    you keep bringing them up as examples but if you remembered your 4th grade social studies you might not
    never-mind how Americanize those two territories had become and how their native populations had already been marginalized for years
    and are you really bringing up how well we have treated inhabitants in the south pacific? geez man... we have our own class of mutant people there from all the nuke tests

    go ahead and take shots at trying to assume what i feel towards my own race, an odd thing for you to mention frankly
    ive been accused of many things, even of hating my own people because im for smart but strong border defense... but being insecure about my own race?
    good for you that you dont make things about your race, thats very big of you
    of course you dont think that the issue of Puerto Rican statehood has anything to do about race
    its funny how the people who are so above race issues are also the ones who never see race issues when they are there
    see no evil hear no evil

    btw, speaking about people with fear issues... dont be so scared about the day when whites become a minority, that wont mean jack
    all empires suffer from this
    the ruling majority eventually become a minority
    and as their numbers get smaller they get more and more ruthless to protect what they feel they are entitled to
    we are no different
    it will be ok though
    so no need to fear monger
    you wont be THE minority
    there will always be minorities below whites
    see whites misunderstand what being a minority means
    its not just numbers
    women are a minority in this country because they dont get paid the same... but numbers wise they are actually the majority
    and even then people use the numbers to lie
    like the fear mongering that goes on to scare whites into being afraid of the coming non white majority
    when we get to this nation ever being 49% white it will mean that 51% will be black?
    or 51% will be brown?
    no
    it will simply mean that 51% of americans are black/white/jewish/indian/hispanic/asian/ etc...
    whites will STILL be the majority between the different racial groups and between all the other minorities
    are whites that paranoid or is racist?
    is being in a place with more non-whites that much of a threat?
    that is decades and decades off from even being a possibility
    i bet a hundred years will pass and there will still be more whites in this country than browns or blacks
    and folks in your situation will continue to bring up the sorry fear that colored people are wiping you out

    wait i almost forgot... i wonder if the fox news website can tell me if jews are the majority in their country
    there you go, had to fill that quota

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