Fernandez was great start to finish, no doubt. but he was only better than Puig every 5th day after Puig was called up. lest we forget that Puig's a 5 tool player and just having his arm in RF everyday is of great impact. however, i'm enjoying that Puig's constantly getting snubbed for everything. he's getting enough attention as it is. i would think that the Dodgers would feel the same way
Howell clarifies comments about bullying, Puig By Ken Gurnick / MLB.com | 11/15/2013 5:15 P.M. ET LOS ANGELES -- One day reliever J.P. Howell is reading a book written by his wife to preschoolers, and the next day he's drawn into the national discussion over bullying. "Dude, I don't know how it happened," said Howell, who said an interview he gave while making a Thursday appearance has spun out of control. In the interview with the Los Angeles Times, it was written that Howell said he saw teammate Yasiel Puig bullied in the Dodgers' clubhouse. On Friday, Howell insisted that's not what he said. "Not in the clubhouse, never by teammates," he said. "I was asked if Puig had been bullied and I said yes, but I meant by fans and media and people on the outside that don't know him. Never in the clubhouse. Are you kidding? People early in the season said our clubhouse wouldn't have chemistry, and it turned out to be an awesome clubhouse -- everybody got along." Howell, now a free agent, said the misunderstanding of his comments has been magnified because of bad timing, as the topic has been in the national spotlight in the wake of the Miami Dolphins incident. The interview triggered additional media coverage, and the Dodgers responded by issuing this statement: "Bullying is an issue we take very seriously. We've discussed this with Yasiel and he has assured us that he is comfortable with the clubhouse environment as well as his teammates, coaches and support staff. As an organization, we will continue to be proactive in monitoring what goes on in and around our clubhouse." Said Howell: "When I was asked about Puig, I just wanted to use him as an example that not only preschoolers get bullied. It's a problem in our society, and I just wanted the kids to know not to stay silent, that it's wrong and you should say something, and it can happen to anybody at any age. It happened to me." If anything good comes from the mini-drama, Howell said, it would be an increasing awareness of the program he and his wife, Heather, are undertaking, with more information available on discoveryourpath.com. Heather wrote the children's book "Dangles," a lesson of friendship taught by a stuffed monkey and inspired by a gift J.P. gave to Heather. "What we're trying to do with Discover Your Path is help kids find their way," said Howell. "In L.A., there are tough places. This just shines a light on a problem that a lot of kids have trouble dealing with. I don't know how this all got twisted, and it's too bad it got spun like that." Ken Gurnick is a reporter for MLB.com. This story was not subject to the approval of Major League Baseball or its clubs. __
... ... so true... IMO sending Puig down, even if for 'baseball contract' reasons somewhat negates ANY claims he might make for RoY. If he were 'that' good then the Dodgers would have sucked down the extra $6.5M or whatever and played him all season. And him not winning it can only help his zeppelin sized ego this coming year... give him something to prove And hitting .215 down the stretch leaves a LOT of room to improve
I don't think you understand his contract. He signed a MAJOR league deal, he gets his money-all of it-each year, whether he plays in LA or in Hoboken. And I don't see where he was 'sent down'. He didn't break camp with the major league squad, but he wasn't supposed to. He wasn't even supposed to play in the show this year, the only reason he did was because Kemp and Crawford were on the DL at the same time. The plan was for him to stay in the minors all year to get some polish (which we could clearly see he needed) because he hadn't played for the last season and a half in Cuba. The Dodgers didn't save a dime by starting him in the minors, the kid got paid. Here's his deal: Yasiel Puig of 7 years/$42M (2012-18) 7 years/$42M (2012-18) signed Major League contract with LA Dodgers as a free agent 6/27/12 $12M signing bonus 12:$2M, 13:$2M, 14:$2M, 15:$4.5M, 16:$5.5M, 17:$6.5M, 18:$7.5M may opt in to arbitration once he earns 3 years of Major League service time agent: Jaime Torres ML service: 0.119 From- http://www.baseballprospectus.com/compensation/cots/nl-west/los-angeles-dodgers/
Not saying that the data is incorrect But I recall news stories at the time he was (justly) sent down and one recurring theme was that sending him down 'somehow' saved the Dodgers xx millions due to 'something' What was it? Maybe he doesn't qualify for arbitration for an extra season? Don't know Maybe some other contract clause doesn't vest if he starts the season in the minors? Don't know Maybe it was something else but multiple sportswriters were talking about how it saved the Dodgers $$$ to send him down. And not for a day or a week but he needed to play in the minors for 4-6 weeks?!? Don't know. I'm not the one that wrote about it last spring... It was 'some' sports hack from LA Times/OC Register/Yahoo/?? I'll see if I can find anything more...
He was never 'sent down'. He was 'brought up'. Like I said, he didn't break camp with the major league squad, nor was he supposed to. Dodgers saved nothing. Maybe it was something else but multiple sportswriters were talking about how it saved the Dodgers $$$ to send him down. Perchance multiple sports writers don't know their ass from a hole in the ground. This is VERY likely.
Having fun with semantics? Hard to be "brought up" if one was not previously "sent down"... Indeed the likelihood is great that multiple sports writers couldn't find their ass with a spade but I still remember reading 'something' about this back in May...
Sorry Capn, it's not semantics, it's facts. He was NEVER on the major league roster, therefore could not be 'sent down'. I'm not trying to be a , I'm just being accurate. According to your definition, every non-roster spring training invitee that didn't make the opening day roster was 'sent down'. And while there is some logic to that, it's not the way the term is generally used. However, I will agree to disagree if you agree to the disagreement. Agreed? :dizzy:
Not to throw a wrench in the semantics here but if puig signed an mlb contract he was always on the 40 man roster. This discussion is about making the active 25 man roster.
You are quite right sir, and the 25 man roster was what I alluded to when I posted Like I said, he didn't break camp with the major league squad,. I should have been more clear, I will now go flog myself for my stupidity.
No dispute agreements shall be settled without a toast... so a toast now... ... and again when we actually agree... Precisely the point... Puig made 'the' roster with his signing and then was 'sent down' to the minors. "Reportedly" to save $$... though defensible forensic evidence has not yet been produced. But I'll also defend that being sent from the big league teams spring training camp to the minors however it happens and for whatever reason is still being 'sent down'. Loads of minor leaguers are not invited to the big league spring training. If you want we can agree that he wasn't on the Dodger 'active' playing roster prior to spring training but then he wasn't a Dodger then either so that hardly matters. If I understand your way of thinking he would need to go from Spring training to the active roster for a single game and then be sent to the minors for it to count as being "sent down" in your book. Do you deny this? That suh invokes a charge of quibbling! And the penalty for quibbling, as we all know, shall be another toast! Huhzah huhzah ...
This I totally agree with and find indisputable. To your health, sir!:shot: No habeas corpus, no crime. I'll agree he wasn't on the active roster but as Mr. F. Youk so kindly pointed out he signed a major league deal and as such was part of the 40 man roster, so he was in fact a Dodger. Yes, I'm quibbling now. :shot: I cannot and will not deny this. But strangely enough, that is precisely what starts a players 'mlb service clock' that determines eligibility for free agency, years of service, and options. Which is why I see things the way I do . Guilty as charged, suh! Invoke the penalty at your leisure!:shot:
