The 2012/13 Offseason Thread

Has anyone seen anything about this from another source than the link above? Because I can't find anything else.

 

So sick of hearing about Puig and we just got him. We don't even know if he's going to be good. I'm not down for trading our current players or signing players in a way where we're making a "bridge" for this guy. Not smart IMO.

 

the person pushing this was mike scoscias tragic ilness guy. He's shown he's got connections so that's why I feel it has legs.

 

I did find a few tweets from this link:

https://twitter.com/mike_petriello

He was one of the first guys to break the Greinke deal, but he says these talks have been on going for weeks and this this shouldn't be viewed as "breaking".

 

If we get Seager, great.

 

Fuck this shit. Fuck Bourne.

 

I hate the Crawford situation.He is getting paid a trillion dollars to clog everything up. Taking a break from New Year's Eve to say it! Keep Dre. Fuck

 

Can't be Pistol Pete without the penalties, bro.

 

Initially, my gut feeling is that this sucks elephant penis.
All the moves and acquisitions and renovations and the total 180 we got with the new ownership, and I can't help feeling we are the precipice of a monumental mistake. I mean not of Pedro for DeShields level, but a first big blunder under these guys.
I guess it all depends on who; I don't care about Utan and Crapu at all (although if used intelligently by DBB, of definite usefulness), but that LH bat when Dre goes on a tear as he does every year at least twice, will be very difficult to replace. he is a solid RBI guy, if they still mean anything...IDK anymore.
If it's for Bourne, just Bourne, I think we get the short end of the stick here. And it creates the need to move others, like Dee, just for the sake of roster clearing...which, IMO, is never a good thing. Dee is worth a longer look, but in AAA, it's not he proper litmus test.
IDK about this one.
If true.

 

http://prospectinsider.com/view/winter-notebook/

Mid article touches on Dre.

 

I love dealing Ethier. That contract is horrible. Would much rather have Bourn and push Kemp to right where he belongs. Plus if we could get Brendan Ryan that'd be fantastic also. Our offense would be more than good enough to justify putting his all world glove out there at short to bat 8th.

 

@Dodgers: RT @TheRealMattKemp: 2day was a big step! The docs finally let me do an upper body workout. Spring training right around the corner. Time 2 get this cardio!

Cool. Maybe we should make an injury update thread

 

Don't understand why you'd love dealing Ethier and assume the money afterwards is gonna be much better with Bourn.

Trading Ethier to get Bourn means this:

As it's currently constructed (from reports, I don't know for sure), it seems as if it is Ethier+pitcher (Harang/Cap) for BRyan +Pitching specs.

Now, the specs is the huge variable, but you figure the more money we put in, the better specs. But it isn't going to be Taijun Walker or something crazy like that. And then when you get Bourn, you are losing that 1st round draft pick. So you have to get prospects in return that greatly exceed the value of a 2013 1st round draft pick in order for it to be considered a team replenishing the farm system. And in order to replenish the system, you need to throw in a lot of cash into the deal ON TOP of the high salary that Bourn is going to get. With Boras as his agent, it's crazy to think that you get a steal of a deal for him. Basically, if you are getting Bourn AND good specs in return to let go of Ethier (and a valuable asset of a pitcher who could net you at least one interesting prospect) you are going to have to throw the same crazy money that made you want to rid yourself of Ether in the first place. And for what?

With Michael Bourne in the lineup, the offense is worse than with Ethier. Pure offense, it's worse. Bourn also isn't even an elite leadoff hitter. The dude struck out 22% of the time in 2012, not good for leadoff. His on base was respectable at .348 but not elite or anything.

Ethier has his platoon problem, but the fact is that 70% of the time he is the best hitter in the lineup, top 7 in baseball. I'd like to fucking keep that. Him being a balanced hitter was a problem when he is one of two people you rely on, but with the other hitters, he is an amazing weapon to have (and is easier to hide when he becomes a liability)

What Bourn improves more than anything is OF defense. But does that really need insane improving? Last year, the pitching was top in baseball and it had Kemp/Ethier/Rivera. Crawford should be an improvement over Rivera unless he plays on one leg, so it's already an improvement.

 

Michael Bourn also had a .636 OPS in the second half

I'd be fine with trading Ethier if it was truly to make a legit upgrade somewhere, but Bourn just has bad contract written all over him. People obsess over Ethiers platoon problem and don't look at everything and/or replacement.

 

You're making a risk signing Bourn as you do with any speedster, but no more risky than the Ethier contract. Plus I doubt he'll get 85, but who knows in this market. Even if we dealt Ethier and then gave Bourn the same exact deal, I think its pretty slim chances Bourn looks worse than Ethier down the road. You make an absurdly vast upgrade defensively, and the offensive comparison is respectable considering what Bourn gives you on the basepaths.

I love Ethier but he is a very flawed player. Right now I am kind of drooling over the hypothetical team of 2 Ellis 3 Gonzalez 4 Ellis 5 Hanley 6 Ryan 7 Crawford 8 Bourn 9 Kemp

Extremely good offensive team and as far as I can tell, top 5 in baseball defensively. I think it's a better, stronger squad than what we have right now, as Ethier's defense and platoon issues cause a lot of issues and smaller ripples.

Like anyone else I hate sacrificing the pick to sign Bourn, but it would make sense if they could pry Paxton away in the deal, which honestly wouldn't surprise me. Ethier has a really impressive track record. The dude does mash when it's all said and done.

 

I like trading Ethier only if we get Saegar back.

I fail to see how anyone can be excited about Brendan Ryan. He is an instant out and that negatives all his great defense. Ethier is a top 30 hitter and we should get much more back that Ryan. Not only that, but if Cap or Harang are involved, this would be a terrible trade.

Get Saeger, sign Bourn to a 2 year beast of a deal, so he takes the 2 year deal, and go from there.

Bourn
Ellis
Kemp
Gonzalez
Ramirez
Saegar
Crawford
Ellis

 

I repeat. Keep Dre.