DODGERS The CUBANS Thread

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  1. back2back x 2 + 1

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    Dodgers Will Pursue Yoan Moncada
    By Steve Adams [January 14, 2015 at 9:49pm CST]

    JAN. 14: Dodgers GM Farhan Zaidi spoke with MLB.com’s Ken Gurnick about Moncada and candidly declared his club’s interest in the Cuban star:

    “Moncada, we’ve scouted extensively. We have the checkbook. Young elite talent in baseball is the most valuable asset to have. To the extent that our evaluation of him matches or exceeds where the market goes, we’ll definitely be players for him.”




    must spend wisely. :golfclap:
     
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    Won't pretend to know much about the man but dammit I want him in a Dodgers uniform.

    Make it mother fucking happen.
     
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    Tell you what..I had no idea that Moncada was playing CF as well with Cienfuegos last year. His ability to play CF may or may not open up all sorts of possibilities involving Joc's availability in a trade..would a Moncada signing push the Dodgers into the mix for Hamels with Joc as the headline piece going to Philly?? Maybe.

    But that's if they actually get Moncada of course..which may be a sure thing to them and why Zaidi was so candid and forthcoming about their interest. They probably want both Moncada, and those other teams that want Moncada, to know that they're serious about him and that they'll stop at nothing to get him. And then maybe Moncada's reciprocated those feelings to the Dodgers?? It'd make all of the public admiration make sense.

    Still, we wait for the US to clear Moncada to play..and the long wait may be because of the way that Moncada left Cuba..with Cuba's government actually letting him just walk out of the front door so to speak. He didn't defect at all. The US may be curious with what's going on there and what kind of deal was struck that'd allow him to do such.

    But overall, I don't think it'd mean that we keep Ethier because he just sucks in CF now, hasn't aged well and can't catch up to 95 anymore. So maybe they'd look for a stop gap starter in CF until Moncada was ready to take over? Those stop gap options in CF could range from Nori Aoki to Colby Rasmus on 1 or 2 year deals.

    The computers' expectations of Joc this year is somewhat favorable to what Rasmus has done and ZiPS actually goes so far as to compare the two. Rasmus doesn't steal bags like Joc and likely wouldn't walk as much, but he was +11 runs saved in CF in 2013 ( had a down year last year), so there's probably not much difference between them defensively with Rasmus maybe even being a little better there. And the CPUs expect about 20HRs from Joc, but Rasmus has actually done that many times over on the big league level and he's still only 28yrs old. Of course, again, we're only talking a stop gap until Moncada is ready to " take over in CF ", so maybe Aoki or Rasmus could fill in for now and Joc goes for Hamels?? :scratchchin:
     
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    Can anyone provide a brief scouting report on him?
     
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    labeled by scouts as the most talented young Cuban to ever leave the island.
     
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    But like is he fast, have power, an arm, you know stuff like that...

    More talented than Puig? Fuck it, make it RAIN!!!!

    GG should just buy Cuba and make it the Dodgers' farm system.
     
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    Puig physical tools but can play SS is one analogy I've heard of him.
     
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    Moncada's getting a lot of hype as far as his physique/physical tools go, and don't get me wrong the kid is in great shape..he looks like a SEC safety. chiseled and what not.

    however, Puig is still on another level. Moncada is 6'2'' and about 200lbs..far from Puig who usually goes 230+lbs. the comparison just makes you appreciate how ridiculous Puig is with his speed/size combo. like JRoll said in his intro presser the other week..the 1st time he saw Puig he was hustling into 2B and Rollins said " this dude is big and fast. "

    now, it wouldn't shock me if Moncada were faster than Puig..supposedly Moncada's faster than Rusney Castillo. but i remember when Puig 1st broke into the majors, one player said that he could feel Puig running the bases from shallow right field. Lol
     
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    Racist!
     
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    please sign him
     
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    80-100M for a prospect..oh boy. can they keep him out of the bigs until 2017? i mean the last thing you want is for some minor leaguer who struggles with his control, but throws 100 to drill Moncada in the chin and decimate his future. a quick dip in AA and then on to AAA..may be a better protected investment if he's fast-tracked to the show.
     
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    http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...w-about-yoan-moncada-19-year-old-cuban-phenom

    "I’ll be the first to admit that, like most people, I’ve never seen Moncadaplay in person. That said, it’s clear we’re talking about a potentially elite prospect.

    Per McDaniel:

    Moncada is 19 and packs a lot of tools into his 6'1", 210-pound frame. He’s a plus-plus runner with above-average raw power from both sides of the plate and the tools/skills to stick in the infield, possibly at shortstop. Moncada is the quick-twitch type with big bat speed that clubs covet, and his track record of hitting at big tournaments and in Cuba’s professional leagues is excellent considering his age.

    Meanwhile, Mayo reached out to sources that attended Moncada’s showcase in Guatemala on Wednesday, with one scouting director saying the teenager is "worth going way over your international spending pool." Mayo added:

    Different sources had Moncada timed differently in the 60-yard dash, though he ran somewhere in the 6.56- to 6.6-second range. That gives him a 70 for his speed on the 20-to-80 scouting scale, or close to the top of the scale. He reportedly looked better at third and second than he did at shortstop, with enough arm from any infield position.Moncada swung the bat well from both sides of the plate, showing plus raw power both ways. The only negative was that he didn't face live pitching, hitting only off of a BP pitcher. When asked to grade outMoncada's tools based on this workout, in combination with previous reports, one scout gave the following grades:

    Hit - 60
    Power - 60
    Speed - 70
    Arm - 60
    Field - 50"
     
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    • The precise hold-up in Moncada’s seemingly overdue OFAC application is not clear,writes Kiley McDaniel of Fangraphs. Moncada’s agent indicated that he has not heard from OFAC since President Obama announced changes in the US diplomatic stance toward Cuba, seemingly indicating that higher-level activity is playing a role in Moncada’s situation. As McDaniel explains, MLB is working with the government to determine how to apply new unblocking policies. For what it’s worth, as MLB.com’s Jesse Sanchez notes on Twitter, a similar policy appears to have been in place several years back, when Cespedes was preparing to enter the market.
    • One entirely hypothetical reason for the delay with regard to Moncada, apart from the broader diplomatic considerations, is the fact that he was allowed to leave the island legally. Per McDaniel, concern that money could flow from Moncada back to the Cuban government is a possible, but by no means substantiated, factor distinguishing his situation.

    on the workout from earlier..

    President of baseball operations Andrew Friedman and manager Don Mattingly were both on hand, Sanchez reports on Twitter.
     
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    What's his big league ETA?
     
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    No one really knows until he gets some time in the minors. But people have said he's advanced... Maybe 2017?
     
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    That'd be sick!
     
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    wouldn't be surprised if it was sooner
    hearing he's more advanced than puig was
    also that he's amazingly quick out of the box, from both sides
    but also hearing he's better at 3B and 2B, SS not as much
    but @chrisdodgers is spot on... we won't know until he plays in the minors
     

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