The WINTER MEETINGS Thread

Discussion in 'Los Angeles DODGERS' started by irish, Dec 6, 2014.

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At the Winter Meetings, the Dodger's Front Ofice will...

  1. Sign Lester, Scherzer or Shields

    28.6%
  2. Trade for Hamels

    4.8%
  3. Trade Kemp

    14.3%
  4. Add useless roster scrubs

    47.6%
  5. Do nothing

    33.3%
  6. Engage in a group Clash of Clans 3-day deathmatch

    14.3%
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  1. Shaw

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    i feel an Ethier trade a'comin
     
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    good point. we also now have THREE, count'em, THREE catchers that are Top 20 prospects on our farm. Barnes being the most ready to come up and help if Ellis gets hurt ( if Barnes isn't not moved of course).
     
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    I think that is the part of all these deals that is getting overlooked...until now.
     
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  5. F YOUK

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    Except Joc is still cock blocked by puig,ethier, CC, SVS and Heisey
    SS got 6 years older
    a 39 y.o. in the bullpen
     
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    Lasorda's Gut Well-Known Member

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    Yeah... Ethier/SVS/Heisey aren't gonna start over Joc in center. Puig is the only guy in right. CC and SVS are the guys in left, Heisey is depth and Ethier is the odd man out.
     
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    back2back x 2 + 1 DSP Legend Damned

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    that and Chris Hatcher joining the bullpen.

    but Barnes is also a 2nd baseman/3rd baseman too, so there's versatility there at 3 positions that we needed. we needed infield talent in a big way coming behind Seager.
     
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    see yourself out.
     
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    wouldn't be surprised if we start working Barnes at 3B because if Corey sticks at SS then we'' have a hole at 3B when Uribe is gone.
     
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    that's true. i could also see them re-signing Rollins for a year if he's still lookin like an elite SS defensively..especially if they're still up in the air about how to move forward at the leadoff spot. an elite defensive SS is such a plus to have and he's great in the clubhouse..good guy to have around for both Seager's and Joc's development. Seager could grab 3B. supposedly one of the reasons that they're not moving Seager off SS right now is because they feel he'll pickup 3B rather easily if he has to go there for a spell or later in his career. i could actually see him playing some 3B for us this season..Dodgers think he could be ready by the start of the 2nd half of the season.
     
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    I don't mean this in a patronizing way, I'm really just wondering to see cause I can't think of it:

    Without the Kemp deal, how would have the Dodgers gotten a SS and C, moved 2 OF's, and still had depth at SP not just in case of injuries but also in case of future trades?

    Let's say they kept Kemp. You upgrade at SS by either spending money on one of those very unattractive free agents who are all bad. Or you trade a SP prospect+Windle for Rollins. This seems fair, but I don't know who could compare to Eflin? Zach Lee? Sure, or idk, maybe another one like Anderson. So, you lose a SP and RP prospect and then, look at the SP depth. Let's say they fill out a 5 man rotation with Shields, whoever. The current backups in the likely event of an injury are what? Nicasio? Bolsinger? Some random dude they invite to spring training? Maybe Chris Reed I guess. But you need like 2-3 extras. So then, you're forced to make a mid-season trade for a starter. (See: Roberto Hernandez deal!)

    Now at catcher, who knows. They tried for Martin, he got a crazy price. Idk how you get Grandal in a different deal. Miguel Montero maybe? He comes prospect cheap if you want to add all that money in payroll. So let's say they go prospect cheap for Miguel. Then well, in order to fill out the last two spots in the rotation you better be cheap.

    And if the team is dead set on moving two of Kemp, Ethier, CC, then Kemp/Ethier are the only ones that could be moved since no one wants CC.

    I'm throwing lots of hypotheticals and honestly, I'm not trying to write this to sound like "This is so big picture and above you guys" I'm really just trying to see out the whole process instead of simply "We traded Kemp for Grandal" and it looks like the alternatives were either shitty short term, long term, or unattainable.

    I also just kinda wanted to spell this all out to help see the whole picture instead of just thinking all of this in my head
     
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    Something needs to happen.
     
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    In a world of endless roster space, this makes sense. Perhaps more trades will happen but if not the only other route is an outright release of someone.
     
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    Who are those 3???

    Rollins aint worth a QO (about $15.5M next year). Neither is Kendrick. Their contracts for 2015 are $11M for Rollins and Kendrick is $9.5M.

    Unless you want to give Uribe a QO, I only see Greinke fitting that...
     
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    SVS should be GOLD for the Yankees right now... GOOOOOOOOLD!!!!
     
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    don't know the answer to your question. however, nobody wants Ethier either. the reason you move Ethier over CC is because CC is bringing more things to the table than Ethier is, and CC is also willing to be platooned when Ethier wants to play everyday. basically, you do it because you'd still like to win games.

    i mean you can obviously bat CC at the very top of the lineup and of course he can hit 5th or 6th as well. he's still gettin 20-25 steals, he's hittin .300, he's hit left handers well far more recently than Ethier has, he's got more range than Ethier in the outfield, he can go 1B to home or 1B to 3B more often because he's faster, and he has a big time resume in the playoffs as well. there are just too many reasons for Ethier to be the one pushed out. Ethier is somebody that needs to get to the AL game and fast.
     
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    Im not basing it off who is better betwen CC and Andre, I actually thought more teams would want CC, but lots of reports say that Dodgers are getting some interest for Andre and almost nothing for CC. That's rather surprising and sad to me cause CC had an amazing run at the end. Like I would be surprised if a team came and wanted CC that the Dodgers would say "no cause we want him over Ethier that bad"

    I think it's a matter of whoever can get the best return in salary/prospects and right now, as far as what reporters have said, it seems to be Andre
     
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    Us needing to be cheap makes no sense and should not be brought up. These guys are swimming in money and we should have a massive payroll, flat out.

    Just the money from ticket sales and concessions (I'm assuming $100/person/per game including ticket price and all concessions) and they are pulling in $380,000,000 off of that, then you can add in the playoffs, which is a boat load in and of itself. Add to that TV contract money and there's an argument to honestly be made that there should not be a budget.

    I'm not saying go get everyone or spend like an idiot, but if the option is to get the team better and keep high salaries then you do it ala payoff 75% of CC and Ethier's contracts, bring in Montero, keep Kemp (I'm happy he is gone now, but just making an example), sign Shields or McCarthy and trade for Hamels and Rollins, then you do it.

    Money should not be an issue and I think it is ludicrous to ever use that as an excuse for us.
     
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    Oh I agree I wasn't saying it was an issue like we needa be restricted I was just saying like asking for an example as to how we coulda gotten better without the option being of simply adding loads of payroll off the 190 we already had committed before we traded Kemp. I was just trying to crowd source alternatives meanwhile keeping it tamed without just saying buy everyone.

    I would be PISSED if they traded Kemp for just salary reasons, to keep money down. Shit, I would be pissed if they did that for anyone. I think there's maybe a budget somewhere, 220-250? But seems like in order to be realistic in there payroll and still add where they wanted to, some money needed to be shedded to help out
     
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    well, if they like what they see from Rollins in the leadoff spot and he continues to be great defensively ( and they don't mind Seager @ 3B)..why not give Rollins a QO? Rollins is filling a lot of really important roles here. another of them..leadership. of course i'm thinking more of Rollins accepting the QO..fully knowing that it never happens.

    Kendrick is a hell of a hitter..a hell of a righty bat to place in the middle of an order that's about to get really heavy in terms of lefties with Joc and Seager coming up.. 4yrs/65-70M for Kendrick.
     
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