The WINTER MEETINGS Thread

Discussion in 'Los Angeles DODGERS' started by irish, Dec 6, 2014.

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At the Winter Meetings, the Dodger's Front Ofice will...

  1. Sign Lester, Scherzer or Shields

    6 vote(s)
    28.6%

  2. Trade for Hamels

    1 vote(s)
    4.8%

  3. Trade Kemp

    3 vote(s)
    14.3%

  4. Add useless roster scrubs

    10 vote(s)
    47.6%

  5. Do nothing

    7 vote(s)
    33.3%

  6. Engage in a group Clash of Clans 3-day deathmatch

    3 vote(s)
    14.3%
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  1. doyerfan

    doyerfan MODERATOR Staff Member Moderator

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    Is the trade gonna go through until like March or what the hell? Also, the McCarthy deal?

    I understand lots of physicals going on but dammit I want my presser now!
     
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    back2back x 2 + 1 DSP Legend Damned

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    i haven't seen much of anything on Ethier, but that's damn good news.
     
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    anybody's guess, my man. it's Amaro though, so it's disturbing
     
    back2back x 2 + 1, Dec 12, 2014
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    Sorry man, but that makes no sense. The reason players decline the QO is because they think that they might get something better in the open market. In Rollins case (a player that is already looking into his last 2/3 years of playing time) if you offer him a 50% salary raise (from the $11M he has for 2015 to the aprox $16M a QO will be next year) there's NO WAY IN HELL he's letting that money go... his odds are more around getting a 2 year contract for 2016-2017 that would be around those $16M, so you just gave him 2 years of salary in 1 year... that's not gonna happen...

    Kendrick's last contract was 4y/$33M, and that covered his final arbitration year and 3 FA years... You are saying that he's worth paying him not only around an 80% raise, but give him in 1 year half the total value of his last 4 year contract??? Unless he goes from a good hitter to a GREAT hitter, there's no way he gets a QO...
     
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    Hey, I voted that the LAD would "do nothing" at the winter meetings.
    Was I right ?
    Or did I mean they would "do nothing right"?
    It's Irish's fault for wording it all weirdly and shit....
    Worst of all scenarios...what happens if say, Kemp is found to have serious problems that could surface immediately with his shoulder and/or ankle/ and or his brain. Holy Rhianna! We have to keep him...
    What then? Wow...it'll be fun in the clubhouse with Donnie keeping the peace.
     
    Bluezoo, Dec 12, 2014
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  6. irish

    irish DSP Staff Member Administrator

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    have a feeling they would have given it an A as well if it were less years

    greedy bkitch
    but i agree :rubhands:
     
    irish, Dec 12, 2014
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    so then you agree..give him a QO.



    1st of all, Kendrick is now an accomplished/proven all-star caliber hitter and defender, so his last contract has no bearings on what he'll get going forward. he'll get what the market says he should get.

    secondly, Kendrick will be going into his age 32 season after this year..you're most certainly handing him a QO before sitting down to talk multiple years with him. any 1yr scenario that you can try to squeeze out of a quality guy who's over the the age of 30, you're doin it.

    Howie Kendrick, on the open market, will get at least 60M.
     
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  8. irish

    irish DSP Staff Member Administrator

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    MLB: How Dodgers’ Moves Solved 4 Pressing Problems Overnight
    by Eric Schaal | Wall Street Cheat Sheet -- December 12, 2014

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    When we outlined the Dodgers’ five biggest needs ahead of the 2015 MLB season, we didn’t guess they would get the job done overnight. Andrew Friedman, new president of baseball operations for Los Angeles, nearly did just that in a 24-hour blaze of deals at the MLB winter meetings. Once the smoke cleared, 12 Dodgers (including Matt Kemp) had been traded, a free agent pitcher was signed, a veteran shortstop was acquired, and the team had an upgrade at second base. The Dodgers plugged four holes overnight and have the prospects to do much more damage.

    Kemp out; Rollins, Kendrick, McCarthy in

    The details of the Dodgers trades are lengthy and at times confusing, so we’ll offer a summary that should help. Matt Kemp (and $31 million of his contract) went to the Padres in exchange for catcher Yasmani Grandal; Dee Gordon and Dan Haren went to the Marlins for prospects; the top Marlins prospect then went to the Angels for Howie Kendrick; Dodgers prospects went to Philly for shortstop Jimmy Rollins; and L.A. signed free agent pitcher Brandon McCarthy to a four-year deal worth $48 million.

    Within 24 hours, the Dodgers front office replaced the departed Hanley Ramirez at short, got better at second base, strengthened their pitching rotation, lessened the glut of outfielders, and replaced two toxic figures in the clubhouse with respected veterans. All in all, it has to be considered a smashing success in that the Dodgers slashed payroll and upgraded at three positions. MLB insider Ken Rosenthal argues the Dodgers got robbed on Kemp’s return, but the improved situation in the outfield ought to count for bonus points. Besides, with the slew of prospects the team acquired, it now has the tools to upgrade offensively or in the pitching staff.

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    Still on Dodgers’ to-do list

    With several prospects now in tow, the Dodgers will likely target Cole Hamels or look at free agents Max Scherzer and James Shields. Even without the money saved in the Kemp deal, L.A. has deep pockets and the will to get better immediately. (Imagine a rotation starting with Clayton Kershaw and Cole Hamels and continuing with Zach Greinke, Brandon McCarthy, and Ryu.)

    Bullpen upgrades are still a pressing need for the Dodgers. While such upgrades are often made internally, the Dodgers need a better plan early in the season to avoid the burnout that occurred late in 2014. They also will have to replace the pop in Hanley and Kemp’s bats (well, at least for the time they were healthy).

    The bottom line is the Dodgers have a lot of prospect ammunition along with an improved roster and far more civilized clubhouse. That’s not bad for a day’s work. We can’t wait to see what Friedman and his team have in store next for L.A.

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    :irishdance:
     
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    :rubhands:
     
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    Look at the INF bats available next year, Kendrick is arguably the 2nd best behind Ian Desmond. Hell, based on WAR, Kendrick is better than Desmond. I realize they play different positions, but their is a premium on offense for both. So yes, Kendrick will get a QO if he comes anywhere close to his 5.4 WAR 2014.
     
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    Another thing about Grandal, is that his worst asset behind the dish it seems like is throwing runners out. That's fair to say he's bad at it. But it helps that he's now gonna have Clayton, Greinke, and Ryu who are very good at controlling the run game as pitchers
     
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  13. irish

    irish DSP Staff Member Administrator

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    agreed
    that CS stat can be somewhat misleading depending on the staff
    although it didn't help AJ
    but if grandal's pct goes up considerably (particularly, higher than AJ's 25% last season) well then... :whistle:
     
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    curious to see if his success at Dodger Stadium holds up. it's only 17 games, but it's a .296/.371/.481 slash line..the most success he's had by far in any venue in his short career. might be some magic there. some guys just have a level of comfort in certain parks.
     
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  15. CapnTreee

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    I dunno... the Dee and Haren to Marlins for prospects wasn't the best move even if it gained us Hendricks which was a good move

    I think that unless we land Scherzer or Shields, and NOT Hamels, then we're gonna miss Haren for those 3 out of 5 outings when he brought a solid start to the team. Hamels has been rather meh for the past two seasons.

    While either Scherzer or Shields would light it up I just can't see it happening...


    yet
     
    CapnTreee, Dec 12, 2014
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    We alredy replaced Haren with McCarthy. I'd make that trade most of the time. Although Haren did eat innings, not sure McCarthy will. Hamels was light out last season too. One of the best starters in baseball, so I am not sure where you got the meh from.
     
    Chiefdodgerslkrs24, Dec 12, 2014
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  17. CapnTreee

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    9-9 following 8-14 does NOT equal lights out...

    as always baseball-reference.com FTW
     
    CapnTreee, Dec 12, 2014
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    You aren't seriously citing W-L record are you?
     
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    Haren's injury history is just as, if not more, worrysome than McCarthy's. Also, McCarthy pitched more innings than Haren last year.
     
    BlueMouse, Dec 12, 2014
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  20. CapnTreee

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    and you aren't seriously disputing it either are you? Come on lad the mighty Cy Young winning MVP Kershaw was 21-3 lest we so quickly forget

    No I'd rather quote W-L coupled with ERA and K/BB but then that wouldn't permit me to dis on Hamel so easily.


    In any event it's better than quoting some made up Saber stat...
     
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