Didn't read what Lohan said, but THIS story in WSJ makes a shitload of sense to me ... and I loathe Weinstein ... There’s No Virtue in Joining an Angry Mob by Paula Marantz Cohen The condemnations of Harvey Weinstein’s egregious behavior have become a deluge. We’ve seen this before—an ever-increasing tirade against a once-respected figure. It is as though we’ve learned the habit of outrage and feel obliged to be even more dramatically horrified than we were the last time this kind of news was revealed. Woody Allen, admittedly a dubious judge, has been lambasted for warning against a witch hunt. But Mr. Weinstein can be guilty and still be the object of what looks like a hypocritical hunger for blood. Where were all these people who now say they were aware of his behavior a year, a decade, a quarter-century ago? Too afraid to speak up then but empowered to do so now when there is a chorus to back them up. It’s more like a lynch mob than a witch hunt. A lynch mob is still a lynch mob, even when its target is guilty. The problem here goes beyond Harvey Weinstein. It is a symptom of a kind of responsiveness that has permeated this country on many levels and on many fronts. When the media becomes judge and jury, groupthink sets in and the mob expresses its indignation. No one is allowed to doubt or to express sympathy. In the case of Mr. Weinstein, a man once lauded for his artistic taste and enjoyed for his crude but refreshing New Yorker manners is now the most egregiously horrible individual who ever lived, reduced overnight from a mogul into a monster—though at the same time we are told that everyone really knew what he was all along. Meanwhile, the media continues to relay one prurient detail after another, feeding the public’s maw for gossip, while allowing us to indulge in high-minded outrage. There is something deeply worrisome about this kind of flattening process, both for what it says about those who never spoke up until now and for what it says about our inability to grasp the complexity of the human condition. We wonder about trolling on the internet, but our press encourages this in its tabloid-style piling on of reporting—in its inability to contextualize or restrain itself in the face of the public appetite for more of the same. The Weinstein case has its correlative in the political arena. On both sides of the political spectrum, we seem driven by a need for dramatic outrage that masquerades as virtue. Once a case has been made in the public sphere, on whichever side, the case gets made again and again in increasingly simplistic terms. Any attempt to see around or outside the established scenario means that you are a bad person. The deadening, coercive nature of this kind of thinking is disturbing. I am upset by what is happening in our country today. I don’t like the mean-spirited way our president behaves and expresses himself. I don’t like the way much of the press, both on the right and the left, seems intent on smug, simplistic reporting. I don’t like the way gestures, such as showing exuberance or seeming disrespect on the football field, have been blown up to mean something more or other than they should. I don’t like the way some college students have become self-righteous know-it-alls, claiming to be traumatized by words and texts. And I don’t like the way many teachers have been made to feel they must toe a party line and walk on eggshells. This is not the way to nurture democracy, fairness and human compassion. Get Harvey Weinstein out of the newspapers and into the courts. If convicted, punish him as the law requires, but remember that he, like all of us, is a human being. We have forgotten this about anyone who has been labeled our opposition, and this has made us a meaner and ultimately more dangerous country.
NOT saying Weinstein is innocent, not at all ... but when I read the story above, I recalled the Duke Lacrosse scandal. Anyone seen that 30 for 30 on that topic yet?
ok but w duke you had ONE accuser not 20+ w direct experiences and 1000s more admitting they knew he's a dirty motherfucker for sure
I guess I came across differently than intended... I meant the media gang-tackling more than the accuser accuracy. I think about the life of that poor bastard Richard Jewel, who was saddled with the bombing in Atlanta during the Olympics. They ruined that guy's life. They may as well have hanged his ass from the camera dollies right there.
i do agree about the premise of a lynch mob being wrong "hands up don't shoot" and the resulting fallout was all based on a lie that BLM and many other groups champion it just never happened its awful and potentially disastrous to society as we see today but weinstein is a fucking pig and its been out there for decades he's on tape apologizing as well
Bluezoo, Irish, and all you other tv aficionados need to watch mindhunter on Netflix. It's like their version of true detective s1. Good stuff
Yeah, I liked Finski's article, and it has nothing to do with HW. It has everything to do with the way we love to pile onto people when they are down. The article is about the mob, not about the subject of the mobs "righteous indignation".
and thats as old as fucking cavemen right? not all too hard to get the chickens moving in the same direction
if nothing else is on i'll tune in to see a few zombies and that it just impossibly stupid writing and unbelievable plot lines that dick w the bat has lasted like a 100 episodes longer than he should of bad actors and waaaaaay too much of that long staring at each other thats supposed to be intense but is actually gay i liked FTWD longer but haven't really watched much of that either all of the sudden we need to listen to all the gay characters prattle on about the depth of their love and FUCK enough already plus how can you enjoy it when they want you to believe that woman/mother whoever she is suddenly starts telling everyone what to do and they follow her? totally disappointed in what seemed to have endless story line possibilities i know it can't be non stop zombie attacks but just too much moronic filler in an hour for me
I'm watching season 8's first episode, I'm about to pull the plug. Somehow, despite my issues with this show's bullshit (in agreement with my kindred spirit @LAdiablo ), I kept watching ..... but I wonder, why do I bother? I know exactly where this is going. I quit on LOST about halfway through season 3, and I wonder if I shouldn't quit on TWD now. My time is valuable, and in these simplistic plots and unrealistic character arcs, I see the aspects of Friends and ER. Both were populist formula at best, pure garbage at worst. Now we have zombies and bad guys and love stories, OH MY, and I'm supposed to give a shit? Anyway, just wondering. I'll finish this ep and then decide.
my brother and i were talking about this just the other day its like the writers run out of ideas or (more likely) get lazy and just go this route
OK ... I'll quote Negan ... "I hope you got your shittin' pants on ... because you're about to shit your pants!" If that's the best the writers could muster, fuck this hot mess ...
totally representative of the pathetic dialogue and that idiotic character i bet there was about 25 shots of the other "actors" looking at each other w intense brooding expressions maybe it was for the rest of the show
