NEWS/RUMORS/DISCUSSION Thread

I counter with development. Allow the young players time to develop. That means patience. Some have it. Some don't. Those that do save themselves a lot of angst. Most didn't close the book on Joc after he struggled last September..he rewarded those people with an All-Star appearance and a glimpse into what he's capable of. Corey didn't even struggle in September...he balled. But because he was over-matched in his 1st taste of the post season against the Mets' young All-Star fireballers it leaves you uninspired? Be reasonable. Time to give deGrom and Syndergard their credit. When you have 98-100MPH in your back pocket you don't have to be perfect..especially when you can command the curve and changeup. 1 or 2 good pitches is all it takes every AB.

 

Even when they look like they're there for the taking, like Ripken said, all they need is one good pitch to get them over and deGrom was commanding the curve and buckling knees because our guys had to gear up for 98-100MPH. They're just every bit as good as advertised. We slap down our own guys and that's cool because of the frustration, but the Mets' kids are also good. They throw flames and they have plus secondary offerings. The Mets were the team that nobody on NL side wanted face because of those arms. They don't have to be perfect to get outs..that's what having power arms means.

Clean up duty continues. Hopefully that includes the manager this time..I was unhappy about that last off-season, so I don't pretend to be on board with everything that they do. But I do have patience. Joc basically hit every Fangraph projection on the nose even through his struggles. Successful year for him. Now he has to build off of it, adjust and come back better.

 

• Outfielder Yasiel Puig is the lone leftover problem child from the previous administration. The club could trade him after a disappointing season, but they would be selling low. Teams would still be interested due to an affordable three years and $19.5MM remaining on his contract. Other franchises are worried about his reputation, injury history, and thickening body. As Sherman puts it, a thicker Puig may experience further injury and lose explosiveness at the plate.

No real news, but yeah you can see both the risk of dealing for him as well as keeping him. Probably had 3 win value this year, but the arrow isn't necessarily pointing up.

 

I'm 53, been disappointed before and will be again. If you don't look forward you'll make youself crazy dwelling on this shit. I don't think my post said anything about relying solely on the farm but there has to be some bakance. There comes a time when free spending is setting yourself up for failure more often than not and history has shown us and the Yankees that. Expectations for the Dodgers is always going to be crazy high so the fall is always heartbreaking so I get it.

 

Everyone's like "It's so fun having these new teams in the playoffs!" until it's a Mets/Royals World Series and everyone doesn't watch

 

I just want this to be over so we can get free agency started with the QO's etc.

 

I'll also say this about Joc...if he levels out to a player that hits say .230 with a .350OBP and give us 10-15 HRs every year I'll take it, so long as he continues to bring the D in CF. Sit him in the 8 spot and let his OBP continue to get us through the pitcher's spot. Of course I want better than for him, but just sayin. I would like for him to be equally as effective against lefties tho and his OBP against lefties was not good. I'm hoping for more than a platoon guy.

 

Joc was super disappointing in the 2nd half obviously but Puig has put together maybe one year of solid play more than joc and his 1st half. He looked super human there at times. If we are willing to keep giving puig more time to mature we need to give joc time to adjust and grow before assuming he's a disappointment

 

CK got that eye on the FA market

 

Well he's a ways away himself, 3 years from his opt out after 2018, so all he can do for now is hope they improve the team around him.

 

All this "future looks so bright" is bullshit IMO. And the "change" we are supposed to all be so impatient about...clue me in on that, I guess. What change are we looking for? Wasn't this this magnificent Donnie's third in a row to the post season? WTF? Isn't that what a team is supposed to do...the elite thing and all...we did it again, and we failed again. We got Seager, Joc, Rollins, and HK and rammed down our throats all season long, and Anderson , too...and what difference did they all make in the long run? Good moments, sure, for each...and eventually the annual loser yolk around our necks again. Poor coaching ultimately came up to bite us in the ass, and turned our season into a so familiar and boring theme.
We are the new Atlanta Braves...and even they had a WS ring thrown in during their run. Wait 3 or 4 years...for what- aren't we in it every year now?
The change would be to get a manager that can get passed whatever point we usually crap out on, and they didn't. Nine goddamn times now.
And if Greinke leaves, does anyone seriously believe we will be back as good as we were this year...and we weren't good enough, as we all know. What McCarthy will be the new Greinke...in what... June? And Ryu will be back to win like he did...which was acceptable sure, but certainly not a 19 game winner. 3 losses? Sounds like we still need a number three.
Our starting staff is the famous "crap shoot"...the post is a lock loss, we all know it.
Is if optimism is some kind of special power and makes it fixed and makes us winners automatically...how long, how many fucking times will that be held up as some kind of magic spell...leadership and acquiring the right players...not more waiting...if we have a shot...that's the path.

 

IF Greinke leaves, it's likely that Price will replace him. Possibly on a 6 or 7 year deal with a 3 year opt out like Greinke had. So you're wrong in saying that the whole off-season hinges on one guy.

 

If Greinke comes back were probably projected that right up in the mid to late 80's again. Hoping we do more than just that, but Seager over Rollins' negative value alone is worth 3-4.

 

If the Blue Jays flame out in the LCS, then Price is a possibility. But I fear if the Blue Jays make a WS, Price may want to stay vs taking a chance on a team that has Donnie as the skip and probably off season upheaval.

 

Price WILL sign in Chicago for the Cubs, mark it down. What is Price in the post season 0 -7 as a stater and you want him? If I'm the FO Greinke is the priority and signing an innings eater is my 2nd.

 

Price tied Randy Johnson in terms of post season failure, but Randy Johnson also has a WS ring and an MVP.

I'd take the chance on Price. Heck anyone but Anderson as your #3.