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  1. spanky006

    spanky006 DSP Legend

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    Tough call.....yeah Jansen blew a bunch of saves.....I think 7. But he also went almost 3 innings to save our crappy starters......so because the maket is dictating the price, I think they need to spend the cash. Our bullie was the strongest part of the team last year, so if it aint broke, dont fix it.
     
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    what [little] money they have to spend they'll throw at turner
    they weren't ever going to sign both imo
    so i'm guessing they waited to see would go first
    or maybe they never intended to pay kenley/chapman such an absurd amount
    still, no guarantee turner re-signs
    but doubtful someone will give him a huge offer, or something that's blows what we offer away (a la dbags/greinke)
    guess the nerds valued a starter/hill > over a closer
    we'll have to see how that works out
    maybe honeycutt can turn someone like stewart into a gagne
     
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    Dodgers completing due diligence ahead of deals
    by Ken Gurnick | MLB.com — 34 minutes ago

    NATIONAL HARBOR, Md. -- The Dodgers came to the Winter Meetings seeking a closer and a third baseman, and they will probably leave on Thursday with the same needs.

    "I don't necessarily see us doing anything in the next 12 hours," general manager Farhan Zaidi said on Wednesday night. "We're involved in a few markets where some dominoes need to start falling. As of now, most of the players that have been moved or signed weren't really high up on our list or on our radar."

    Those words were spoken before closer Aroldis Chapman, whom the Dodgers pursued, reached a five-year deal with the Yankees worth $86 million late Wednesday night, according to a baseball source. MLB.com's Jon Paul Morosi and Yahoo! Sports' Jeff Passan reported after news of Chapman's agreement broke that the Marlins -- who, with the Dodgers and Yankees, pursued Chapman -- had made an offer to fellow closer Kenley Jansen in the neighborhood of $80 million.

    Still high on the Dodgers' list is re-signing third baseman Justin Turner, and bringing back Jansen may be an even higher priority in light of Chapman's deal, the completion of which would figure to accelerate Jansen's decision. Turner's situation might be stalled because of a reported shortage of eager suitors.

    Both Jansen and Turner were granted qualifying offers by the Dodgers, meaning that if they were to leave, each signing club would forfeit a valuable Draft pick and the Dodgers would gain one. Such a restriction apparently didn't keep the Rockies from reportedly reaching an agreement with free agent Ian Desmond on Wednesday. The guidelines surrounding team compensation for free agents have impacted enough players that they were modified in the new Collective Bargaining Agreement, although those changes don't go into effect until next year and won't affect Jansen or Turner this offseason.

    Turner is considered the best third baseman on the market and probably sees Desmond's deal -- reportedly worth $70 million over five years -- as a nice target. If Turner leaves, the most likely trade replacements are Todd Frazier of the White Sox and Mike Moustakas of the Royals.

    Jansen, however, was competing for a contract with Chapman, whose deal won't require the Yankees to forfeit a compensatory pick. If the Dodgers don't sign Jansen, they may pursue Tony Watson, the Pirates closer with whom they've been linked in trade discussions, or free agent Greg Holland.

    Zaidi said Wednesday's trade of Wade Davis from Kansas City to the Cubs as Chapman's replacement might shake loose the closer market, although he agrees that the late resolution to the CBA has delayed trades and signings in general.

    "I think there were a lot of free agents out there that figured their markets would come to a head here, and there haven't been a ton of signings," Zaidi said.

    "We had to take a little step back to process some of the [CBA] changes, and even last night, we were uncovering things that weren't revealed in the first wave. There's a lot of stuff. For a team like us, right around the tax threshold and trying to work our way under it, there are a lot of repercussions. We reassessed the implications of long-term deals, and other teams are in the same boat."

    At second base, the Dodgers have been linked to trades for Brian Dozier, Logan Forsythe or Yangervis Solarte, and there remains some interest in re-signing free agent Chase Utley.

    "A lot of it does depend on how we fill our other needs, in terms of holes and handedness and payroll," Zaidi said. "We're trying to fit a puzzle together with multiple pieces. There's no one thing, obviously, no one move we're ready to lock in."
     
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    He said California but you know he is talking about us because of the fact we rejected the trade. I was headed out of the door when I typed my original post and it was a gut reaction so there's that.
     
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    Losing their 14th pick will be heavy on their minds so who knows.
     
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    And this phenomenon isn't just limited to us. The number of "Closers" who have had sustained success (10 years +) in my lifetime... I can count on one hand. And if you take out converted starters, I only need a few fingers. Both Chapman and Kenley rely solely on 1-2 pitches. Weren't we cursing Kenley mid-season?
     
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    More like most of the season.
    Adios, Kenley.
    Hell, all things considered..adios, JT too.
    Go get Longo, Forsythe and Colome
     
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    I knew they had it, but yeah I would never sign with that organization. The owner sucks and they never have any sort of a direction.
     
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    If they were the only team putting up 80MM for you, yes you would Lol
    80MM spends pretty well.
     
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    If they were the only team, yeah I would go there as I had no choice. I honestly could not see myself signing with them if say the Dodgers offered 10 Mil less. The Marlins organization is just a toxic thing that I would not want any part of.
     
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    So it sounds like the Marlins had the strongest offer for Chapman and now have the strongest offer for Jansen. We shall see how it plays out, but now the word going around is the Dodgers will not sign both of Turner and Jansen, which if that is the case, give me Turner!
     
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    Yeah, I was just sayin..lets not get too crazy.
    We'd all play for the Marlins if they forked over 80MM and the offer was well ahead of the others.
    Shit, and really, because of the way they operate with fire sales and what not, they'd just have to offer the most money and you could expect them to trade you to a contender at some point soon after, so win-win.
    Because that's what's gonna happen to Kenley if he goes there..he'll inevitably be traded
     
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    See this is why I wouldn't understand why a player would choose them. A lot of these guys, when they sign the big contract, don't want to be uprooted. They sign the big contract so they don't have to move around anymore and can sort of settle in. I'd be pissed if I signed there, bought an 8 million dollar home and then had to sell it 2 years later. Something like that is a bigger issue than people realize.
     
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    But, my man..it's Miami..it's basically a vacation.
    I've been to Miami 10 or so times..it's pretty hard to be pissed out there and I didn't have 80MM in the vault.
    Get your money, have a quick stay/vaca, then be traded and move on.
    Hell, even if you do buy a home, keep it..a lot of athletes do keep homes in Florida/Texas
     
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    WSox did pretty well for Eaton, received a good amount and I can sort of understand the package, they truly didn't have to move him.
    28yrs old, under control through 2021, and a damn good all around player.
    No longer a plus CF, though, probably about average.
    Great in RF tho, maybe on par with Heyward
    Maybe LAD should be in on Melky
     
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    There's nothing close on the current roster.
     
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    What is there about the Dodgers why players do not resign with them? Is this argument that they won't "overpay" anyone on one hand, but the Dodgers are the richest team there is on the other hand, a handcuffing thoig? Just what is it exactly?Players know the Dodgers financial situation, so maybe they figure if they really want me, the extra few million is a drop in the bucket for them? Wtf? Letting Turner go somewhete else would be stupid, imo.
    Looking back at Greinke and Kenley, and on the verge possibly of JT, huge difference- making players, let's face it, what really gives, man? How much do we want to win?
    To think that cheaper replacement players is the answer every season now, may be a bit worn out, sooner or later. A lot of the FO brilliance was due to SF unprecedented folding. Flat out, like it or not.
    I think to expect the Giants to completely collapse again is total folly now, and the reasons why we did maintain the lead during that collapse, are on different teams now, or on the brink.
    And, in spite of all the GM ridicule, to think that CO will just go away with that team they have, is wishful thinking, too, imo. And now maybe getting Trumbo in that lineup, too?
    How we are supposed to duplicate or replace what Jansen did overall with the guys we have left ( with the other two gone now- one to the direct competition, too) ? By committee ? Untried guys? Joe Blanton ?
    Damn, for a team rated near the top and with purported genius executives running it, we look like a patchwork conglomeration of retreads, cheaper second tier talents that we hope will give us a last hurrah, and players waiting for a reinjury of past ones.
    I sure hope that "future depth" we have comes through...if we don't trade them away, that is.
    Gotta shoot for the new bar...the post season.
    Then out.
     
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    Rule 5 draft is on, trades coming down
     
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    See, this is where we are different. I hated Miami and have no wishes to ever return as I feel it is a pit of rude/miserable assholes. So playing in an empty stadium and walking around that place would just piss me off more.
     
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    Not likely, if they weren't willing to commit 5/80-ish to Turner, I don't imagine they would be willing commit 6/99 to Longoria.
     
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