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  1. irish

    irish DSP Staff Member Administrator

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    who stays, who goes
    espn's saxon (albeit a hack) says we only retain howell and punto
    what do you say?...


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  3. irish

    irish DSP Staff Member Administrator

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    my list...

    gone: hairston, volquez, crapuano, schumaker, marmol, nolasco
    stays: punto, howell
    maybe: wilson, uribe, young, ellis
    gotta go to work so i'll elaborate later... :irish:

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    my list...

    gone: hairston
    stays: punto, howell
    maybe: wilson, uribe, young, ellis, volquez, crapuano, schumaker, marmol, nolasco
    hahaha
     
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    Yeah, Punto and Howell are immediately useful - but I can see Ned wringing his hands, with that maniacal look in his eye, wanting to get a whole bunch of new utility scrubs and broken mid relievers. He lives for this time of year, and the scrap heaps out there are full, ready for the picking.

    The Maybes will get their 3 year sucker contracts from other teams. Clearly, Ned will give out a new batch of his own sucker contracts.

    As far as the Gones go: Marmol and Volquez appear to have been Honeycutt's rehab projects. They might be back if he isn't finished with them. :fags2:
     
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    irish DSP Staff Member Administrator

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    GONE

    hairston:
    jerry's old, tired and no longer very good​
    a return to the padres sounds like a nice fit​

    volquez:
    if the aforementioned padres didn't want him, why the fuck should we?​
    disregarding (of course) the fact that we actually picked him up after the pads released him.​

    crapuano:
    cappy has the ability to be very good on occasion​
    the problem is you never know when that occasion (usually wrapped between several poor outings) may take place​

    schumaker:
    too bad being a gritty, scrappy, grinder doesn't equate to being a good ballplayer​
    go back to the cards, or hell, on to the braves -- one of those teams that "plays the game the right way"​
    fucken self-righteous ckunts​

    marmol:
    million dollar arm, 2 cent head​
    he'll move on to st louis and become a star​
    oh wait, that only happens to white guys there​

    nolasco:
    dude pitched on adrenaline his first several starts with us​
    and then the inevitable happened... he went back to being ricky nolasco​
    he won't (at least for us) be worth the price he'll likely command on the open market​

    STAYS

    punto:
    the pony is who he is​
    not flashy, not exciting... but pretty steady​
    prototypical utility guy​

    howell:
    you always needs a lefty in the pen who can get guys out​
    would have kept him anyway, but especially know with paco tiring down the stretch​

    MAYBE

    wilson:
    the big question here is whether someone will offer him a closer's role (likely) and a multi-year deal (not necessarily as likely​
    his numbers with us were fantastic​
    but 13.2 innings is a pretty small sample size -- especially someone recovering from serious arm surgery​
    will someone want to give him 3 years with the chance of him breaking down and/or suddenly becoming ineffective (a la brandon league)?​
    if 00 doesn't get the offer he likes, i could very easily see him coming back...​
    and ned signing him to a 4 year deal :duck:

    uribe:
    if someone offers him a multi-year deal, he's gone​
    if ned offers him a multi-year deal, he should be fired and then beaten to death​

    young:
    at this stage in his career, what's more important...​
    playing time or playing for a ring?​
    young is an interesting bird -- doesn't seem to possess the ego of most​
    i could easily see him coming back as a bench player​
    50/50​

    ellis:
    really depends where guerrero is at​
    but the fact that his contract has an option that we can send him down may speak volumes​
    like uribe, if someone offers him a multi-year deal, he's probably gone​

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    irish DSP Staff Member Administrator

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    scary isn't it?
    for every jamey carroll he pulls out of his ass, there's dozens of eugenio velez's and adam kennedy's :barf::suicide:

    could easily see he offering uribe another 3-year deal :facepalm:
    hopefully, stan has a tight leash on him :bitchslap:

    i really hope you're wrong
    but the mere fact that they put both those scrubs on the lcs roster frightens me :scared::nervous:

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    Imagine, we don't sign Wilson because of Brandon League.

    Brandon League is going to hurt this team even in the offseason.
     
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    Already posted in the other thread but here goes.

    Gone: Volquez, Mark, Hairston, Cap., Young
    Stays: Uribe, Pony, Marmol, JP, Skip

    Probably gone is Wilson but I'd like him to stay. Nolasco would depend on price and years and the timing of the posting of Tanaka. Nolasco was mostly effective until the end of course.
     
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    i want to keep wilson and uribe but fear they played so well other teams will offer them more
    agree w punto and howell being certain to stay but who's to say they don't get better offers as well?
    the other guys i really don't care one way or the other
    nolasco is a bad contract waiting to happen and while i like capuano especially long relief wise i doubt he is going to stay in that role
    anyone know if they inked nancy bea for another year?
     
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    Personally I'd like to see Wilson stay and given the facts that A, closers get hurt and B, it was Ned who gave him both his breaks, he might stay out of loyalty and potential opportunity. I can't imagine it taking long before being in LA enables him to get sort of endorsement opportunities. He could definitely be marketable in some circles if he wanted to be. Skip is a good guy to have around too. Howell's good, Punto's good.

    Uribe will probably get offers too but remember, we already fell for his "Contract year" thing once so I dunno... Depends on Guerrero and Ramirez, IMO.

    As far as the devils $$ worries, I keep going back to Magic's tenure as a Lakers owner. Remember, they paid Rodman well to stay....
     
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    What I want:

    Stay: Wilson, Howell, Punto, Uribe
    Gone: Everyone else.

    What will probably happen:

    Stay: Punto, Skip, Howell, Marmol, Uribe (on some contract we won't like).
    Gone: Everyone else.
     
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    Stay: Wilson, Uribe, Howell, Punto, Skip
    Gone: all those other bkitches.
     
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    I see Uribe coming back on a 2/$13M deal. He did had a good season, but nothing close to his last year with the Giants, which landed his Dodgers deal.

    Punto will be back too. If they gave 2 years to Hairston last year, they will to Punto.

    Howell is a must, but 3 years is too risky
     
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    By Zach Links [October 27, 2013 at 11:27am CST]​

    The Dodgers' climbed from the bottom of the NL West all the way to the top thanks to a 42-8 midseason tear. After reaching the NLCS, L.A. hopes to take the next step in 2014.​

    Guaranteed Contracts
    • Matt Kemp, OF: $128MM through 2019
    • Zack Greinke, SP: $118MM through 2018
    • Adrian Gonzalez, 1B: $106MM through 2018
    • Carl Crawford, OF: $82.5MM through 2017
    • Andre Ethier, OF: $71.5MM through 2017
    • Hyun-jin Ryu, SP: $28.5MM through 2018
    • Alexander Guerrero, 2B: $28MM through 2017
    • Yasiel Puig, OF: $26MM through 2017
    • Brandon League, RP: $17MM through 2015
    • Hanley Ramirez, SS: $16MM through 2014
    • Josh Beckett, SP: $15.75MM through 2014
    • Chad Billingsley, SP: $12MM through 2014

    Arbitration Eligibles (service time in parentheses)
    • Clayton Kershaw, SP (5.105): $19MM projected salary
    • Kenley Jansen, RP (3.073): $4.8MM
    • A.J. Ellis, C (3.151): $3.2MM
    • Ronald Belisario, RP (3.151): $2.3MM
    • Drew Butera, C (3.017): $700K (non-tender candidate)
    • Scott Elbert, RP (3.069): $600K (non-tender candidate)

    Contract Options
    • Chris Capuano, SP: $8MM ($1MM buyout)
    • Mark Ellis, 2B: $5.75MM ($1MM buyout)

    Free Agents
    • Jerry Hairston
    • J.P. Howell
    • Carlos Marmol
    • Ricky Nolasco
    • Nick Punto
    • Skip Schumaker
    • Juan Uribe
    • Edinson Volquez
    • Brian Wilson
    • Michael Young

    The Dodgers got their offseason started in a big way last Tuesday when they signed Cuban second baseman Alexander Guerrero to a four-year, $28MM contract that could reach $32MM via incentives. The Dodgers were supposed to be the Yankees' biggest foe in their bid to re-sign Robinson Cano, but the deal seemingly takes them out of the running. It's worth noting, however, that landing Cano is just improbable at this stage, not impossible. In theory, the Dodgers could move Hanley Ramirez - who could see a new deal with the club this winter - to third base and play Guerrero at shortstop, but Guerrero's defensive skillset is better suited for the other side of the bag. However, it has been rumored for the last few months that L.A. wasn't going to make a serious play for Cano and Magic Johnson pretty much confirmed that line of thinking earlier this month. Besides, the Dodgers figure to have some pretty serious expenses ahead of them.​

    The Dodgers hope to lock up Clayton Kershaw for the foreseeable future and at some point during the season they went to their star left-hander with a $300MM offer. The 25-year-old backed out of the talks because he apparently had reservations about the length of the deal (it was said to be a "lifetime" contract) and didn't want to have an unnecessary distraction during the year. Regardless, the two sides will meet at the negotiating table this winter and whether or not the deal breaks the $300MM barrier, it is all but guaranteed to be the largest contract ever given to a pitcher, topping CC Sabathia's $161MM pact signed in 2008.​

    More immediately, the Dodgers have to figure out what to do about their managerial situation. Don Mattingly's contract option for 2014 has vested, but the Dodgers seem to be waffling on whether they want him back and the skipper says he'll honor the deal, but he wants a multi-year pact to avoid lame duck status. The coaching staff is now more or less set, meaning that the Dodgers are probably either looking to retain the former Yankees great or go with someone in-house. Third-base coach Tim Wallach is said to be a strong candidate if there is a change in the dugout.​

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    Los Angeles has a number of free agents this season and they'll probably have at least a few holes to fill. Both second baseman Mark Ellis ($5.75MM option, $1MM buyout) and third baseman Juan Uribe can hit the open market and while Guerrero's arrival can help fill one position or the other, he can't do both. Odds are, Guerrero will be slotted in at second base, displacing Ellis from the starting lineup, but the Dodgers could welcome the 36-year-old back as a reserve. Uribe turned over a new leaf in 2013 (.278/.331/.438 with 12 homers) and gave the Dodgers a solid everyday play in the hot corner. Given the lack viable third base options available on the open market, it would be wise to re-sign the veteran. The trade market for third baseman is headlined by Chase Headley, but the Dodgers will be hard-pressed to pry him away from one of their divisional rivals. Thinking outside of the box, they could call up the Brewers and see if they can work out a deal for Aramis Ramirez in which Milwaukee eats a good portion of his $20MM salary. If they want to play musical chairs with their infield by putting Ramirez at third, they can go out and get a shortstop instead. Stephen Drew will be a free agent and Jhonny Peralta is available and unlikely to return in Detroit.​

    The Dodgers will also have some housekeeping to do when it comes to their infield depth. Michael Young, Jerry Hairston Jr., Nick Punto, and Skip Schumaker are all eligible for free agency. Young could conceivably be their third base answer if Uribe isn't retained, but they'd probably prefer someone who can do more defensively. Punto would offer that defensive acumen, but he's lacking at the plate.​

    The Dodgers' rotation is quite strong at the top with Kershaw, Zack Greinke, and Hyun-Jin Ryu, but there are some question marks beyond that. Chad Billingsley and Josh Beckett could fill the No. 4 and 5 spots, but they'll both be recovering from surgeries. Re-signing free agent Ricky Nolasco would be a great way to shore up the back end of the starting five and the Dodgers would almost certainly welcome him back if they knew they could have the pitcher they saw from July through early September. The wheels came off a little bit in his final few starts of the year, but those rough outings only bumped his ERA to 3.52 with 7.8 K/9 and 2.2 BB/9 in 15 starts and one relief appearance for L.A. In September, when Nolasco had a 2.07 ERA in 74 innings for the Dodgers, Tim Dierkes estimated that he could see a three-year, $36MM contract. Talking to Dierkes now, he's considering upgrading that to a four-year, $52MM deal. If the Guggenheim group is still willing to spend big, they can replace Nolasco with the likes of Ervin Santana or Japanese standout Masahiro Tanaka, whom they're said to be high on. Both players will cost them a pretty penny, but they'll have some breathing room with Ted Lilly and Chris Capuano coming off the books. Who knows, they could even be players for Rays ace David Price if they want to make an enormous splash.​

    A.J. Ellis seems likely to be back behind the plate as the Dodgers' starting catcher, but it's not a sure thing after he had some hiccups in the postseason. There are talented backstops to be had on the open market like Brian McCann and Jarrod Saltalamacchia and both guys can bring a level of offensive firepower that Ellis does not. Of course, they'll both require quite a bit of coin at a time where catching around baseball is rather thin. Tim believes McCann is in line for a five-year, $80MM deal while Saltalamacchia should see something in the range of $36MM over four years. If the Dodgers want to be a little more fiscally responsible (hey, why are you laughing?) they'll find less expensive veteran options like A.J. Pierzynski and Carlos Ruiz.​

    Much of the Dodgers bullpen will return in 2014, but two key members - Brian Wilson and J.P. Howell - might not. Wilson could very well take his talents and his beard elsewhere after pitching extremely well (0.66 ERA with 13 strikeouts and four walks over 13.2 innings) in his brief time with the Dodgers. Howell was also sharp (2.03 ERA with 7.8 K/9 and 3.3 BB/9 in 67 appearances and figures to be one of the most sought-after left-handers this winter. If one or both go, they can look into setup men like Jesse Crain and LaTroy Hawkins.​

    That pretty much covers the Dodgers' holes, but they have quite an enviable talent surplus in the outfield with Yasiel Puig, Andre Ethier, Matt Kemp, and Carl Crawford. The Dodgers could plug their other holes by moving one of the four. It goes without saying that Puig is staying put. Crawford is probably staying put too, seeing as how he's owed a small fortune between now and 2017. One would probably think that Ethier is more likely to be moved than Kemp, but from the outside it looks like either one could be moved depending on how the market plays out. Ethier has been maddeningly inconsistent but Kemp should bring in a greater return, injury concerns and all. There is an option C, of course: keeping all four. The Dodgers know that they can't bank on the health of Crawford or Kemp, so having four high-level outfielders would be a wonderful luxury to have.​

    After piecing together a payroll big enough to make a Jerry Bruckheimer film blush, the Dodgers are eager to put it all together in 2014. With some patching up, they can carry their second half surge into a strong wire-to-wire effort next season.​

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  20. Juan Uribe

    Juan Uribe Contract Year Bkitches!!!

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    Fuck Chase Headley, fuck Aramis Ramirez, fuck Stephen Drew and fuck Jhonny Peralta! I'm better than all those bKitches combined. Headley is a one-year flash in the pan, Aramis is fat old and stupid, Drew couldn't hit water if he fell out of a boat, and Peralta is a fucken cheater. All Ned has to do is offer me another 3-year deal and I'll be back.

    And for all you Seager bandwagoners... I hate to break the news to you, but your boy sucks. Yeah he's got some tools, but he ain't never gonna make it in the show. Dude's got Blake DeWitt written all over him.
     

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