DODGERS 2017 NEWS/RUMORS/AROUND MLB Thread

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  1. CapnTreee

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    Thanks TB, great article.

    And so WTF is going on with ESPN???

    I want sports, followed by sports, followed by more sports 24/7.
    I do NOT want talking heads doing anything other than explaining that days scores

    I know I have no one but my myself to blame

    but

    I HAD to read some of the poetry. Dunno why. Wanted to be more enlightened by engaging to see what ESPN was saying with this stuff.

    Wow. WTF?? OK the first poem, Patricia, was some sort of forlorn sapphic lust slobber maybe about basketball.. whatever
    The 2nd, Tracie, was clearly lost in some bondage fantasies, do we call that sport? OK maybe @irish might.
    The 3rd, Carrie, at least channels her inner @Rube, "the future is female, the past is female", "poetry is new, poetry is old", "inside language is not more language, just stillness" "we have to quiet the other voices".. OK she channels her inner Rube really well... but WTF where is the sports??
    The 4th, DeLana, resents blacks working as not enough. Umm OK do better then.

    ALL IN ALL... WTF does ANY of this vapid drivel have to do with sports? OK maybe the sapphic lust fest spoke to basketball... maybe, but still...more about lez lust than B ball

    Sad state of affairs.
     
  2. CapnTreee

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    OK I just repeated most all of that rant in BOTH a comment left on the ESPN website and also to poor Michael manning the ESPN chat boards.

    Michael admitted that they have caught a HUGE amount of flack for the poetry.

    I feel better for speaking out.
     
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    The Truth shall set ye free.
    Power to the People!
     
  4. irish

    irish DSP Staff Member Administrator

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    matt holliday with a walk off bomb tonight
    somewhere @DodgerLove is smiling...





    or jerking it :poke:
     
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    The latter, definitely the latter.
     
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    I think it's pretty obvious that Matt Holliday is the number 1 guy that can help our team right now. I mean think about it, guy can spell Adrian at 1B, and play some outfield for us. Think how impressive our lineup would be with big Matt Holiday in there. I think the only better player we could possibly add to our team right now is Jonathan Villar. If only we could somehow swing a 3 team trade and land both.
     
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    Attendance down?
    Sign Bryce Harper.
     
  8. irish

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    classic
    :poty:
     
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    Cody Bellinger has a chance to be a freak of baseball
    Because he’s so good, sure. But also because he defies the tradition father-son categories in baseball history.
    by Grant Brisbee | McCovey Chronicles — 27 Apr 2017

    I don’t have a son. I have two sweet daughters, and this is a good thing because boys are weird, always running around, breaking things, and punching each other in the beans. I wouldn’t know what to do with a son. Does the homeowner’s insurance premium increase? Probably. What a nightmare.

    HOWEVER, people who have sons seem to love them very much. And there has to be so much pride that comes with watching your son make the major leagues for the first time, especially for the dads who were major leaguers themselves. There goes the chip off the ol’ block, and all that.

    Father-son combinations in baseball are a grand tradition. However, Dodgers rookie Cody Bellinger and his ex-Yankee dad, Clay, just might be the platypus of father-son combinations. They’re a total egg-laying freak of a two-generation family, and we should marvel at their unlikeliness.

    Before I explain, it’s useful to categorize the previous categories of father-son baseball combinations.

    Same sport, different major (ex. Tom Gordon, Dee Gordon)

    This is a common one, where the dad is a pitcher and the son is a hitter, or the dad is a catcher, and the son is a shortstop with wildly different skills. Bob Boone was a catcher, and his sons were infielders, and the same went for Yogi and Dale Berra. Tony Armas was an outfielder and an anatomy lesson, and Tony Armas, Jr. was a pitcher and an anatomy lesson.

    Tom Gordon and Dee Gordon are my favorite example because they’re both so notable and memorable in different ways. The elder Gordon had a fastball/curveball combination that made adults weep, and the younger one is one of the fastest players in baseball. It’s like a dad being one of the best safecrackers in the world, then having a son who grows up to be one of the best getaway drivers in the world. Same genre, vastly different skills!

    Weaponized version of the father (ex. Bobby Bonds/Barry Bonds)

    The other classic example is Ken Griffey and Ken Griffey, Jr., and you don’t need a very detailed explanation to get the idea behind this category. Player is very good, has a son, and that kid grows up to be Player 2.0, better in every way.

    It doesn’t always have to be as dramatic as Bonds and Griffey, either. José Tartabull was a fringe player, and Danny Tartabull was an All-Star. Randy Hundley was basically a poor man’s Todd Hundley, just decades earlier.

    Lance McCullers has a chance to be in this category with some good luck and health. His pops was pretty good, but he couldn’t stay healthy. The second generation has something to build on.

    Expectations are a jerk (ex. Tony Gwynn/Tony Gwynn, Jr.)

    Yeah, this is a tough category. Baseball is hard. There’s no shame in being merely great enough to be a major leaguer. It’s an instant, remarkable accomplishment to make the majors!

    Alas, there are some players who have to realize at some point that they’ll never be as good as their dads. Tim Raines, Jr., for another example. Pete Rose, Jr. I was this close to blaming this all on the suffix, but Cal Ripken ruined that theory. This is not a very fun category, though. It’s so easy to forget just how hard it is to make the majors in the first place.

    Perhaps my all-time favorite for this category, though, is Earle Mack, who was Connie’s son. His dad was a catcher and a manager. He was a catcher and a manager. Connie played 11 seasons. Earle got 16 at-bats over three seasons, and his dad had to manage the team for him to get even that many.

    Connie managed for 53 years, stopping when he was 87. Earle managed parts of two seasons when his dad got sick, and it was widely assumed that he would continue managing the Athletics when his dad retired, except Connie managed for another decade after that.

    In retrospect, it probably would have been more fair if he were a pitcher and a broadcaster.

    More of the same (ex. Cecil Fielder/Prince Fielder)

    This is a slightly extreme example, because it’s well-established and completely bonkers that both Fielders finished with exactly 319 home runs. Prince Fielder was the better of the two, but it was still close.

    Jose Cruz was one of the most underrated players of his time, and he was better than his son, Jose Cruz, Jr., but they both had similar positions and tools. Same goes for Gary Matthews and Gary Matthews, Jr., as well as Eric Young and Eric Young, Jr.

    The best chance for a modern entry into this category currently belongs to Cam Bedrosian, who is an excellent reliever, just like his old man. Another decade of excellence, and he’ll have a very similar career. The symmetry is comforting, somehow.

    Cups of coffee (ex. Jay Pettibone/Jonathan Pettibone)

    One last time: Making the majors is hard. Out of millions of young boys who dream of being big leaguers one day, these two actually did it. And it’s kind of nice how one of them isn’t showing the other one up with a big, fancy career.

    This is, unsurprisingly, the most common category. There was a Jeff McKnight and a Jim McKnight. Clyde Mashore had roughly the same career as Damon Mashore. They both finished with exactly eight home runs, too, but somehow everyone cares about the Fielder factlet more.

    Those are the established categories. They’re nice and simple, and you can sort most father-son combinations into one of them.

    Which brings us back to Clay Bellinger and Cody Bellinger. The father wasn’t exactly a small man. He was 6’3, which is certainly tall enough to get a height-based nickname around town. Here comes big Clay, they would whisper.

    Except Clay Bellinger played like a 5’6 player. He moved all over the diamond, spending more time in the outfield than anywhere else. He somehow managed to hit .193/.257/.363 for his career, even though he was active from 1999-2002, which was one of the most robust offensive eras in baseball history.

    Cody Bellinger is also a tall man, except he plays like a disgruntled minotaur, not a utility player. He has the most violently powerful swing in Dodgers history, give or take, which is saying something for a team that also employs Joc Pederson. It’s too early to say he’ll be an All-Star — he’s just 21 — but he looks like he’ll be an excellent player for a decade, at least.

    While this could technically fall under the Griffey/Bonds category, those dads had amazing careers. A weaponized version of Clay Bellinger is, like, Nick Punto. The closest we’ve come to a son taking his father’s unremarkable career and shooting it with gamma rays is Roberto Alomar, who played the same position as his father, Sandy Alomar, Sr., but did it well enough to make the Hall of Fame.

    Except the elder Alomar played for 16 years, which is its own kind of remarkable. He’s a very poor comp for Clay Bellinger.

    This is a new category, then, if everything works out like it’s supposed to. This could be the weaponization of a dad’s career that transcends other weaponizations. This could be the biggest quantum leap over a father’s career in baseball history.

    No pressure, kid. Most prospects work out, if not all of them, so you’re probably safe.

    We have a long way to go before creating this new category, but fathersonologists around baseball are keeping a close eye on this Bellinger kid. He has the chance to be really special when it comes to baseball esoterica.
     
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    Nationals Adam Eaton tore his ACL today out for the year, ouch.
     
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    was last night actually, but yeah it was ugly
     
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    I should have wrote diagnosed. Bigger story is that they traded away so much for him.
     
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    So that's an elbow, a shoulder, and now a knee.
    Eaton's been a hurt fella in his short career


    Definitely hurts given all the comp they gave up to get him.
    One of the reasons I have not so good feelings about giving up huge spec packages for a single guy, especially pitchers
     
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    Wow, totally missed this. Work has been crazy so I'm now getting less and less of my usual info. What a blow to them, that lineup top to bottom has been a runaway freight train.
     
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    Old friend Matt Kemp went deep 3 times today. Judge with his 10th?
     
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    I will say it again..Aaron Judge looks like Giancarlo Stanton's big brother.
    It's hard as hell to make Stanton look small, but Judge is like 6'7" 280lbs Lol
    And an in shape 280lbs., it's pretty incredible..similar I suppose to seeing Porzingis on the basketball court
     
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    Judge of Thee Fresno State, the Harvard of the West.

    Just thought I'd remind you fuckers.

    Fuck Kemp.
     
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    Saw the on field interview with Kemp. Straight up Costner...
    Man, he got porcine...his face is a big round thing now, sort of like Louie Anderson.
     
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    Only once in sports have I seen a guy with Judge's physique.
    Julius Peppers.
    Karl Malone wasn't even that big..Judge has him beat by 30-35lbs Lol
    Julius Peppers is the only 6'7"/6'8" guy I can think of that's 280/290-ish lbs., but with an athletic running back's/skill position type of physique.
    Pretty damn amazing to see it on the baseball field
     
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    He's from a town of 1,700 in the Modesto area. Talk about a big fish in a small pond.

    He's cut down quite a bit on his Ks this year. Be interesting to watch him progress.
     
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