MLB NEWS/RUMORS Thread

Discussion in 'Los Angeles DODGERS' started by irish, Nov 2, 2017.

?

If the Dodgers could acquire one player at the deadline, who would you prefer?

  1. Machado

    43.5%
  2. Front line starter (degrom, thor, et al)

    56.5%
Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.
  1. irish

    irish DSP Staff Member Administrator

    Joined:
    Nov 2011
    Messages:
    53,382
    Likes Received:
    41,070
    Trophy Points:
    278
    2017 Dodgers review: Curtis Granderson
    by Eric Stephen | True Blue LA — 17 hours ago
    grandy.png
    The Dodgers added traded for an experienced veteran in Curtis Granderson in August, but things didn’t work out as they hoped.

    WHAT WENT RIGHT
    Granderson was a surprise acquisition on Aug. 18, with the team adding outfield depth when Joc Pederson was in the midst of a 2-for-41 slump. Jacob Rhame was sent to the Mets in return. Granderson hit three home runs in his first six games as a Dodger. Among Dodgers with at least 100 plate appearances, Granderson’s 13.6% walk rate was third on the team.
    nothing

    WHAT WENT WRONG
    Quite simply, Granderson didn’t hit with the Dodgers, and was given every opportunity to do so. He hit .161/.288/.366 with seven home runs in 36 games during the regular season. He started 31 of 42 games with the Dodgers, including 30 of 34 games against right-handed pitchers. His strength is hitting right-handers, but with the Dodgers he hit just .171/.304/.381 against them, after hitting .230/.349/.504 against them with New York. Granderson was 1-for-15 with eight strikeouts in six postseason games with the Dodgers, including four strikeouts in four at-bats in Game 4 of the NLCS. His final at-bat that game was his final at-bat as a Dodger this season, and was emblematic of his struggles. Granderson struck out but was given new life when umpires conferred and decided that he foul tipped the ball, much to Joe Maddon’s chagrin. The Cubs manager was ejected during a delay in the game that lasted several minutes, during which the overwhelming thought on Twitter was that Granderson was just going to strike out on the next pitch anyway. Granderson was left off the Dodgers’ World Series roster.
    everything

    2017 PARTICULARS
    Age: 36
    Stats: .161/.288/.366, 7 HR, 18 BB in 132 PA
    Salary: roughly $3.6 million during this time with the Dodgers, of which the Mets paid an unknown amount.

    old, shitty

    GAME OF THE YEAR
    In his third game with the Dodgers, Granderson was 2-for-5 with grand slam against the Pirates, on the day of the solar eclipse. It was his only multi-hit game with the Dodgers.
    n/a

    ROSTER STATUS
    Granderson is a free agent. sucks remora testes
     
    BlueMouse, rube and Gebbeth like this.
  2. Gebbeth

    Gebbeth DSP Legend

    Joined:
    Jul 2013
    Messages:
    8,817
    Likes Received:
    6,162
    Trophy Points:
    173
    Remoras have testicles?

    At least pick an animal with big old hairy ones....
     
  3. irish

    irish DSP Staff Member Administrator

    Joined:
    Nov 2011
    Messages:
    53,382
    Likes Received:
    41,070
    Trophy Points:
    278
    most fish do

    [​IMG]
     
    BlueMouse likes this.
  4. BlueMouse

    BlueMouse 2020 World Champions

    Joined:
    Nov 2011
    Messages:
    12,445
    Likes Received:
    14,570
    Trophy Points:
    198
    :fl:
     
    irish likes this.
  5. darth550

    darth550 Baba Yaga

    Joined:
    Nov 2011
    Messages:
    5,602
    Likes Received:
    4,311
    Trophy Points:
    173
    LOL. Not worked up, just adding info to the thread that was worth mentioning, IMO. If I said anything back then it was probably more about how they finally got rid of Zach Lee and what a disappointment he was. In hindsight they got lucky it with that deal but the fact is they waited way too long to trade him and could have gotten more, earlier on. Indeed, Chris Taylor turned out to be great but that was a fluke. Holding on to prospects too long is not always the best option.
     
    blazer5 likes this.
  6. Lazy Bastard

    Lazy Bastard DSP Regular

    Joined:
    Jul 2013
    Messages:
    982
    Likes Received:
    815
    Trophy Points:
    103
    at least he doesn't have blue balls!
     
    BlueMouse and irish like this.
  7. irish

    irish DSP Staff Member Administrator

    Joined:
    Nov 2011
    Messages:
    53,382
    Likes Received:
    41,070
    Trophy Points:
    278
    Free Agent Profile: Lorenzo Cain
    by Connor Byrne | MLB Trade Rumors — 11 minutes ago
    cain.png
    Fresh off yet another strong season, longtime Royals center fielder Lorenzo Cain ranks as one of the best free agents available in this year’s class.

    Pros/Strengths

    Since making his major league debut with the Brewers in 2010, Cain has often mixed average or better production at the plate with top-notch defense and quality baserunning, making him one of the game’s most valuable players at his position. Cain held his own in those three facets in 2017 and surpassed the 4.0 fWAR mark for the third time in the past four seasons. Dating back to 2014, his breakout offensive campaign, only 19 position players have logged a higher fWAR than Cain’s 17.9, which puts him in company with the likes of Freddie Freeman (18.1), Ian Kinsler (17.4) and Andrew McCutchen (16.8).

    Defense is perhaps Cain’s greatest strength, evidenced by his lifetime DRS (73) and UZR (53.8) in center. According to those metrics, Cain wasn’t elite in 2017, though he still ranked in the top nine in the league among center fielders in both categories. He placed an even more impressive fifth among all outfielders in Statcast’s Outs Above Average metric.

    On the offensive side, the righty-swinging Cain has been useful against pitchers of either handedness throughout his career. While his .303/.360/.474 line against southpaws easily trumps his .285/.335/.400 output versus righties, the latter has still been good enough for league-average production, per FanGraphs’ wRC+ metric. All told, he has slashed a respectable .290/.342/.421 in 3,051 trips, including a .300/.363/.440 line across a personal-best 645 PAs in 2017. Cain managed to cut his K rate from 19.4 percent in 2016 to a meager 15.5 percent this past season, and has gone down on strikes just 18.6 percent of the time in his career.

    Cain’s speed has certainly contributed to his solid offensive numbers, helping him run a lifetime .344 batting average on balls in play (including a .340 mark in 2017) and an infield hit rate of 9.9 percent (league average has hovered in the 6.5 percent range since his MLB debut). Unsurprisingly, the fleet-of-foot Cain finished toward the top of MLB last season in Statcast’s Sprint Speed metric (16th out of 451 qualifiers). Thanks primarily to his wheels, Cain stole 26 of 28 bases in 2017, ranking fifth in the majors in SB percentage (92.9) along the way. Successful base stealing has been the norm for Cain, who has swiped 127 of 152 bags (83.6 percent) during his career.

    Weaknesses/Cons

    If you’re looking for red flags here, age and injury questions jump to the fore immediately. Cain will turn 32 next April, which will make a long-term deal for him all the more risky, and although he played 155 games last year, he hasn’t been that durable. Cain spent time on the disabled list in 2012, ’13, ’14 and ’16, and last season was the only one to date in which he appeared in more than 140 games.

    With Cain’s legs being so integral to his game, it’s certainly fair to wonder just how well he’ll age both offensively and defensively. Speed peaks early, after all, and that’s all the more concerning for a 30-something hitter who brings minimal power and middling patience to the table. Cain did hit 15 home runs in 2017, but his .140 ISO (.131 lifetime) fell well below the .171 league average.

    Background

    Cain, a Valdosta, Ga., native, became a professional when the Brewers chose him in the 17th round of the 2004 draft. He ultimately racked up just 158 PAs with Milwaukee before the team traded him, Jake Odorizzi, Alcides Escobar and Jeremy Jeffress to the Royals for Zack Greinke and Yuniesky Betancourt in a December 2010 blockbuster. During his time in the majors, Cain, a client of All Bases Covered Sports Management, has earned approximately $21.76MM, per Baseball-Reference.com.

    Off the field, Cain has been involved with the Variety Children’s Charity of Greater Kansas City. He and his wife, Jenny, have two sons.

    Market

    Unfortunately for Cain, most of the teams that received bottom-of-the-barrel production from their center fielders in 2017 don’t look like fits for a player who’s on the wrong side of 30. Nevertheless, it appears Cain will price himself out of KC, which will net a compensatory pick after the first round of next year’s draft if he signs with another club for a guaranteed $50MM-plus or a selection after Comp Round B if he gets less. The Giants, Mets and Blue Jays are reportedly eyeing him, while the Mariners and Rangers have also come up as potential matches. Of those teams, the Giants and Mariners need a center fielder the most. The Mets, Blue Jays and Rangers have experienced CFers on hand in Juan Lagares, Kevin Pillar and Delino DeShields, respectively, though Cain is a better all-around player than each of those three.

    Expected Contract

    MLBTR forecasts a four-year, $70MM payday for Cain, who could push for a pact that rivals the half-decade-long, $82.5MM deal fellow center fielder Dexter Fowler signed with the Cardinals last winter. The fact that Cain’s a year older than Fowler will make a fifth year difficult to obtain, though.
     
  8. rube

    rube DSP Legend Staff Member Administrator

    Joined:
    Nov 2011
    Messages:
    15,460
    Likes Received:
    8,213
    Trophy Points:
    198
    Cain is a solid all around veteran player who can leadoff and play CF.
    Not what we need right now.
     
  9. Chiefdodgerslkrs24

    Chiefdodgerslkrs24 Among the Pantheon

    Joined:
    Apr 2014
    Messages:
    18,489
    Likes Received:
    6,293
    Trophy Points:
    208
    Pretty much, not what We need. He’s got very little pop. He can hit a good average with a good OBP and very good defense, but he hit like 2nd or 3rd in KC’s lineup last year and in 645 at bats drove in 49 runs. And I know people say RBIs dont mean much but this guy doesn’t drive in runs because for the most part is a singles hitter
     
  10. irish

    irish DSP Staff Member Administrator

    Joined:
    Nov 2011
    Messages:
    53,382
    Likes Received:
    41,070
    Trophy Points:
    278
    yup, and taylor is better than him imo
     
  11. Gebbeth

    Gebbeth DSP Legend

    Joined:
    Jul 2013
    Messages:
    8,817
    Likes Received:
    6,162
    Trophy Points:
    173
    I’m still trying to find out what went wrong in the WS that we could improve in the off season.

    As most 7 games series will tell you, there wasn’t a mountain of difference between the Astros and Dodgers. What killed us was a couple of bad starts from Darvish and a bad inning from Jansen and Kershaw.

    To me that means (1) we still need SP with post season success. Easier said than done, I understand. To me, Kershaw is dead to me in the post season.....it’s just....I dunno, too many failures and out number his successes.

    Wish we could have someone like a MadBum (yes shoot me now) or the late Halladay, just someone who is nails. It’s not not Houston dominated us with SP. We got to their good pitchers.

    If our SP can’t be improved in this sense, we need (2) BP strength like what Maeda did for us, Morrow did for us before his arm was over used. Maybe Britten for the later innings? But someone who can take 3 middle innings.

    Perhaps also, Roberts will understand that being the “good” guy doesn’t work when the WS is on the line and every game and every inning counts. Darvish should have been pullled early.....Kershaw should have been benched when hell started to break loose earlier.

    But it would help if he had more than Fields, Baez to go through on extended days. He should have used Cingrani more, and maybe next year, Beuhler can play that SP/Middle long relief next year on his way to SP status.

    But I’m not convinced trying to get sluggers like Stanton or Martinez on absurd contracts are the right move.

    The Gnats had some of the worse offensive power numbers of any team in the past 5 years. Yet they have 3 WS championships.

    Perhaps pitching depth and balls is what we truly need at this point? It doesn’t matter if you can score 10 runs if your pitching gives up 11.

    You have to win the close games.
     
  12. fsudog21

    fsudog21 DSP Legend

    Joined:
    Apr 2016
    Messages:
    13,489
    Likes Received:
    14,994
    Trophy Points:
    198
    A little more from the hitters (.205/.290/.393) wouldn't have hurt.

    Despite Darvish shitting himself in Game 7, the Dodgers had multiple shots to get back into it in the early innings against McCullers. When Joc's your most productive producer among the regulars, you're in trouble.
     
    BlueMouse and Fall Winslow like this.
  13. LAdiablo

    LAdiablo descarado

    Joined:
    Nov 2011
    Messages:
    30,188
    Likes Received:
    25,383
    Trophy Points:
    1,253
    close to inking banuelos to a minor league contract still
    nails
     
  14. BlueMouse

    BlueMouse 2020 World Champions

    Joined:
    Nov 2011
    Messages:
    12,445
    Likes Received:
    14,570
    Trophy Points:
    198
    I'm still not sure what to do about pitching. I'm convinced MLB did some fuckery with the ball trying to encourage "exciting" high-scoring games, every pitcher struggled during the WS. It's almost like we need to look for a certain type of pitcher, not necessarily a quality pitcher... hell, Charlie Morton was the best pitcher in the WS. We probably got the wrong pitcher from the Rangers.
     
  15. Fall Winslow

    Fall Winslow McRib

    Joined:
    Sep 2015
    Messages:
    25,538
    Likes Received:
    9,526
    Trophy Points:
    228

    I was thinking the same thing. Why even try to boil the WS loss down to one area of weakness? And I mean, even if it was one area where LAD failed, you're not going to push aside opportunities to upgrade elsewhere because of a 7 game sample size/1 series. Not only is Stanton an obvious upgrade to an offense that largely shit the bed in the WS, but he's a great fit with what LAD preaches as an organization from a hitting standpoint. Their focus on launch angle, elevating the baseball and exit velocity is right up Stanton's alley.

    There is no one specific way to win a WS. KC won by putting the ball in play, running the bases, and having a lights out bullpen..they were elite at all three of those phases. So let's just hope LAD continues to try to get better at the phases that they place added focus on. Pitching, of course, is one of them, and if they get Stanton it doesn't mean they can't help themselves starting pitching wise.
     
  16. irish

    irish DSP Staff Member Administrator

    Joined:
    Nov 2011
    Messages:
    53,382
    Likes Received:
    41,070
    Trophy Points:
    278
    roberts/honeycutt deserve some blame too
    darvish should have had a much shorter leash
    the minute he walked mccann to begin the 2nd he should have been out of there
    pitchers after darvish were lights out
    but like @fsudog21 said, the offense went to sleep
    1-for-13 with risp and closed out the game going 0-for-11
     
    BlueMouse likes this.
  17. THINKBLUE

    THINKBLUE DSP Gigolo

    Joined:
    Nov 2011
    Messages:
    41,884
    Likes Received:
    24,605
    Trophy Points:
    228
    I still can't believe Marrow only faced 1 batter with the bases empty after the damage was already done.
     
    irish likes this.
  18. Fall Winslow

    Fall Winslow McRib

    Joined:
    Sep 2015
    Messages:
    25,538
    Likes Received:
    9,526
    Trophy Points:
    228

    For 4 of the 7 games, basically
    Joc being in line for WS MVP is a damn good indicator
    Taylor was half decent, but outside of him, the top half of the order was shit
     
    BlueMouse and irish like this.
  19. ColoradoKidWitGame

    ColoradoKidWitGame DSP Legend Administrator

    Joined:
    Jul 2013
    Messages:
    11,710
    Likes Received:
    10,087
    Trophy Points:
    198
    It’s funny how what is getting written by reporters in regards to Stanton is so completely different from what the former GM’s and players on MLB radio are saying.

    For example, the writers are saying it’s probably down to SF, StL and Boston. Then Doquette and Bowden are saying this morning that from the people they talk to on the inside, they’re being told that he has no interest in going to any of those places.

    This is something that could get completely blown out of proportion if a deal is not put together, but they each said that the Marlins are under the impression that Stanton will accept a deal to only one team. We all know who that is. Apparently, Stanton feels like a band-aid with the Giants that would only have him in a similar situation in a year or two and doesn’t really want to play in Boston or StL, which is honestly surprising to me. He now knows the Dodgers are kicking the tires so the belief is he’ll only go to LA. From what they are also hearing, some GM’s are looking like they are walking away from these talks thinking they’re wasting their time and will only be used as leverage against the Dodgers. Would make sense why SF is going so hard after him as well, but they admitted that the Dodgers could put together an offer outside of their top 2 and still squash anything the Giants do.
    The ultimate summation was this, teams will submit their best offers, the Marlins will take that info to the Dodgers and say beat this with Verdugo, Alvarez and Diaz, the Dodgers will laugh and say “no way”, they’ll take the best offer to Stanton who will say “no, I want LA” and ultimately this offseason will be a waste of time and the Marlins will end up not trading him this year. Both Jim’s said that the rumor of the Marlins asking price being totally unreasonable IS TRUE.
     
    blazer5, irish and THINKBLUE like this.
  20. Fall Winslow

    Fall Winslow McRib

    Joined:
    Sep 2015
    Messages:
    25,538
    Likes Received:
    9,526
    Trophy Points:
    228


    It's surprising to you that Stanton doesn't want to play in Boston or St.Louis?
     
Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.

Share This Page