Discussion in 'Los Angeles DODGERS' started by MZA, Nov 16, 2011.
I wish their was some medicine that was allowed that could fix it quicker than currently. Some will call it a steroid, but pitchers get injured for no fucking reason and I'd love for that to cut down with some injection of some sort.
Tommy John surgery most likely. Depends on how torn the ligament is. Think Strasburg, Bills, Wainwright
Damn, sucks for Harvey and the Mets.
Hopefully he doesn't make the same dumbass mistake that Bills and he can get back for opening day 2015, if not september 2014.
Sucks for Harvey. Hate to see this keep happening to these young pitchers. It seems like every fireballing (97+ mph) young arm blows it out for some reason.
This is just overall bad for baseball.
Wow and mets said a week or two ago they only planned on 4 or 5 more starts for him this season and now he's looking dead in the face of TJ surgery and likely missing all next year
This is why I'm scared to sign pitchers(like the CK deal or Greinke's). Noone saw this coming.
Seeing the way that Wainwright, Zimmerman and Strasburg (among others) have come back recently makes it worth the risk.
Ummmmm. In his career it's been his best pitch by far.
Yeah, his slider was damn near unhittable in his Cy Young season.
That's actually a common misconception with greinke.his curve and slider are almost identical(same general speed and trajectory) but the curve is a bigger break whereas the slider is late break.when greinke was ON(I.e his cy young campaign) he would throw both in any count against any hitter.actually at one point it "common knowledge" among scouts that greinke and zito had the best curves in the league
While the success rate of pitchers coming back from TJ is very good, it's not at all good for any kind of shoulder surgery
I don't get what you're saying. Maybe his curveball was thought by scouts to be his best breaking ball, but it clearly wasn't close according to the numbers. Saying it was never a plus-plus pitch is foolish, the numbers and any pitching coach in the league would laugh that off.
No, it's not a missconception.
You can see his slider he threw very much. As recently as the beginning of the year he was throwing it but now he completely scrapped it from his arsenal. Cutter usage starts last year and spikes this year.
Also, his slider and curve ball are thrown not even close to the same speed. His slider was anywhere from 85-88 and curve was 69-75. The movement is also noticeably different. Which is the definition of the curveball (softer and more vertical movement) and slider (more speed and horizontal movement).
You can see that here:
For starters I agreed with the fact he scrapped his slider.also,I'm not talking solely this year and if u look at your charts you'll see that his slide and curve were thrown pretty equally throughout the years.also,using your charts if you go back to 2007(his peak) you'll see his velocity on the curve and slider are very similar,curve around 82-84 and slider solidly around 85.his curve has always been the better pitch and scouts attest to that.
There's a difference between a plus-plus pitch and a quality pitch.for instance the only pitch zach wheeler has that scouts consider plus is his fastball but that doesn't mean he shouldn't throw anything else,it doesn't mean that he can't throw anything else,and it doesn't mean he can't get outs with other pitches.also it's often pitchers survive on having multiple quality pitches and none that rate out as plus-plus pitches,it then just becomes basically a mental game of chess and keeping hitters off balance
btw, i'm moving all the kershaw talk to the kershaw thread
All this scout lingo is quite boring.
Unless you're a professional scout do you really know what a "Plus Pitch" is? Do professional scouts even know what that is? I think you'd find disagreement even from pros what defines a plus slider or plus power etc... vs quality slider and quality power.
Some guys talent is quite obvious but arguing over plus/quality pitches is silly.
MLB execs make much more subjective decisions than you guys give them credit for.
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