Joe fucking Blanton for 4 Mil?

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  1. CapnTreee

    CapnTreee Guest

    So Blanton gets lucky for a half season and gets a $4M reward... So?

    The downside, as if it needs stated openly is ... "Joe fucking Blanton"

    not much lower to go than that...
     
  2. irish

    irish DSP Staff Member Administrator

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    if this is the case
    blanton could do very well with grandal behind the dish

    Did Blanton benefit from pitch framing?
    by Scott Andes | LA Dodger Report — 4 days ago
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    Never have so many words been written about Joe Blanton within the last week. The Dodgers recently announced the signing of the 35-year old veteran hurler to a one-year four million dollar contract laden heavily with performance incentives. The deal initially seemed horrifying to many of us who had to suffer through his awful pitching for those two months back in 2012 when he was a Dodger.

    We had thought that we would never see him again and breathed a heavy sigh of relief, until this last week of course. I once wrote at Lasorda’s Lair that I thought he was the worst pitcher in baseball and indeed he was at the time. After his awful stint with the Angels he had to reinvent himself in some way or shuffle off to buffalo. I hoped he would shuffle, alas he did not.

    Chad Moriyama recently chronicled about his improved slider thanks to an improved grip. That’s how he reinvented himself and settled in as a middle reliever. Indeed it seemed to work as he had solid bodies of work with the Royals and Pirates. However if you look deeper at his numbers you can see that Blanton fared considerably better in Pittsburgh than he did in Kansas City. Perhaps there is a reason for that.

    Delving deeper into this we can see that in his 41.3 innings with Kansas City he allowed 43 hits with a 3.89/3.59 ERA/FIP. That accumulated to a 9.3 hits per nine rate. Way too many base runners allowed. In his typical fashion he put up a very nice strikeout to walk line of 40/7 and he allowed six long balls in KC. Once he was acquired by the Pirates his numbers improved drastically.

    Once a Pirate he posted a 5-0 record and in 34.1 innings pitched allowed just 26 hits and a 1.57/2.11 ERA/FIP with a 6.8 hits per nine rate. Once again his strikeout to walk line was a very good 39/9 and he allowed just one home run. Overall that came out to a 7-2 record, 2.84/2.92 ERA/FIP with 69 hits allowed in 76 frames. Giving him a very respectable 8.2 hits per nine innings pitched.

    So is it possible that pitching in a more pitcher friendly park like PNC could have helped? Or perhaps Pittsburgh backstop Francisco Cervelli’s superior pitch framing played a large part? As you can see Blanton allowed a .783 OPS against at Kaufman Stadium and a .634 OPS against at PNC Park. However if you take a look at these numbers by catcher, you can see that he greatly benefited from Cervelli’s pitch framing abilities.

    Pitch framing is all the rage these days with the stat kids. It’s the measurement of how often a catcher fools an umpire into calling a borderline pitch a strike. Pitchers and coaches love it because it obviously means more strikes. More strikes means more outs, and more outs means more wins. Since they have a stat for everything nowadays, they are able to measure pitch framing for each catcher. Each catcher is rated with a number called RAA which stands for runs above average. The better the pitch framer, and higher number of percentage of strikes called the higher the rating they get.

    So if we take a look we can see that Cervelli was the number one rated pitch framer in all of baseball with a 26.7 RAA rating. Dodger’s catcher Yasmani Grandal was very good as well, ranking third with a 20.8 rating. Meanwhile Salvador Perez was one of the worst with a -9.1 rating. Cervelli had 201 borderline strike calls and 1.79 estimated calls per game while getting 10.7% of the pitches thrown outside of the strike zone called his way. Perez posted just 6.5% in 2015.

    Lo and behold if we look at Blanton’s numbers by catcher we see the difference:

    ◆ When Perez Caught Blanton – 3.98 ERA 40.2 IP .266 BAA (42 for 158) .753 OPS 38K/6BB
    ◆ When Cervelli caught Blanton- 1.53 ERA 29.1 IP .206 BAA (22 for 107) .558 OPS 34K/7BB​

    The difference is large even though it’s all a small sample size as the stat guys would probably claim. Regardless it’s still worth taking a look at. It’s a lot easier to get outs when you have a great catcher behind the plate framing all of your pitches and fooling umpires.

    Perhaps the Dodgers are hoping that Yasmani Grandal and his excellent pitch framing abilities will be able to get the same results with Blanton in 2016. Only time will tell if this is the case.​
     
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  3. N.Z

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    That's nice. But at the end of the day he's Joe Blanton. Once the hitters remember that, we're fucked even if a Jesus/Mohammed in their prime were behind home dish swaying the umpires with their magical powers.
     
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    Maybe we need David Blaine behind the plate?
     
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    I wonder if all the HOF K guys like Ryan, Johnson, Carlton, Koufax, Blyleven, Clemens, Sutton, etc. threw to great pitch framing catchers, or were just great pitchers that simply struck out guys?
    Being that pitch framing is now a regular stat, measuring one guy better/worse than the next, before it was a legit usable number, did it matter? What does Nolan Ryan wind up with throwing to Cervelli then?
    Because I never read or heard a thing about it with any of those guys...not one. Ever.
    Or no one ever mentioned it because they didn't know it existed or something? Seems weird...
     
  6. irish

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    the first guy i remember being referred to as a great framer was bob boone
    but i'm sure others existed before him
    campy, yogi, bench, fisk, dickey perhaps
    i think tv coverage had a lot to do with exposing it
    especially the view from behind the pitcher
    but i think the greats you mentioned could have thrown to just about anyone
    but for a journeyman like blanton it could make a world of difference
    hopefully with grandal it does
     
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    Counting on a rehabbing roider to help a total fucking loser fool fat fuck umpires while the Yankees watch the guy who throws 100 all night long thrive.....

    Yup, the Nerds science is tight.....
     
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    I don't think it's as huge of a factor as it's played out to be, but it's something that can only help the pitcher. The biggest eye test for me is seeing Kershaw throw to Grandal and then to Ellis. I think everyone can agree that there's a noticeable difference there.
     
  9. N.Z

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    Hahahahaha! Classic.
     
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    When they bring Montas up, who hits 100-102 on the gun, then what?
     
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    Yeah...I'm not trying to imply that it doesn't matter...I was thinking if you take the top say, 10 K guys of all time( I listed some) and take their years they all pitched cummulatively, then how many catchers did they throw to over their careers...quite a few, I think. How many were good framers? Did it matter at all?
    When you think of who Campy caught, and what they did over their careers...but I never read that he was a good framer, although he may have been.
    Just seems odd that something deemed so important now, was rarely, if ever, a criteria for a catcher. Or if it was, who knew back then?
     
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    To be honest, I learned this at a very young age. As a catcher my entire baseball life this has always been a big deal but the difference was you just didn't talk about it. You would never hear "great frame" shouted out at you by your teammates like you would for a nice hit or big RBI.

    You may occasionally hear someone call out your number with an atta boy when framing a strike three that was clearly off the plate but it was done in an "incognito"type of way.

    The reason was you didn't want the umpire to know what your doing. It basically shows them up.

    With the stats the way they are now, they look at every thing. Nothing is kept on the low anymore.

    Bottom line is if you "catch the ball right" thumb parallel with the ground and get around the baseball, you are going to get more borderline calls to go your way.

    I teach catching every week to about 6-7 really good 10 year olds. The thing I tell them is to catch the ball correctly and present the pitch to the umpire. I don't call it framing and I don't emphasize stealing strikes! I emphasize catching the ball quietly and never trying to bring an obvious ball over the plate to show the umpire up.
     
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    Yeah, receiving skills for catchers have been coveted for a long time.
    Really the only difference now is that they're keeping record to find out exactly how much value a catcher's receiving skills bring on a pitch by pitch basis.
    Not much different than say tracking batted ball velocity, to which most of us have known for a long time that if you hit the ball really hard it's got a solid chance of finding a hole.
    Personally, I feel the constant skepticism has more to do with numbers being attached to this aspect of the game.
    Change would seem to be an underlying issue...of course 60 years ago change was an issue for different reasons in this sport.
    Change is not something that's taken lightly within MLB's culture in general, but once they came to grips with that reality...here we are.
    MLB Now is a good watch on the network, watching the constant battles between Brian Kenny and those against the data driven era and against change in general, give MLB credit for providing that forum.
    But yeah, this data driven age, quantifying and ultimately placing value on these age old aspects of the game is where the game is now.
    All to the good for me if it helps valuation and helps identify the real from the fake, giving execs an edge here and there.
     
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    Then we can only HOPE he can control it like everyone KNOWS Chapman can...
     
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    And the hitters that are in the box better hope the same.
    But Chapman's control has waned at times, which is why he walks more guys than Kenley does.
    Nature of the beast in throwing 100+ gas, Ryan tallied a load of walks himself in his day.
    But that's also half the battle already won when hitters just aren't sure if this 100-102 throwing guy can control what he's got.
     
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    Being able to seperate the "real from the fake " is important...and not only for executives valuation...
    It trickles down from the top, even over and above the divinity of bb execs... from the very creation of the game itself. The DH is fake , imo, and that particular change is as phony as a 3 dollar bill...and as queer, too.
    It's fake baseball. no matter who can't wait for it, or who it gives a job to for a longer time.
    It's not the real game.
    It's a fake version of it. Fits right in with the fraudulent society we are engulfed in.
    No matter who or how many try to simplify it down to reticence of traditionalists who abhor "change".
     
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    You mean when they think he can't but he knows he can. ;)
     
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    in the past they probably just used other terms most of the time before 'pitch framing' became the term everyone understands
    im guessing that those great pitchers had good catchers that were framed a good pitch but it just wasnt a thing yet other than hes a good catcher
    but remember how in the past a good catcher like a SS was not really rated by his offense as much as his defense and intangibles
     
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    also removes some of the mysterious fantastical thing that makes a kid fall in love with a sport for life
     
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  20. CapnTreee

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    Can I get a fucking AMEN to that!!

    NZ for the win!!
     

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