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  1. Chiefdodgerslkrs24

    Chiefdodgerslkrs24 Among the Pantheon

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    So like one of them is the long rumored Nationals offer, right?
     
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    I will admit that I am totally bipolar on Harper and it makes it so incredibly hard to write about him. I will start thinking to myself "fucking pay the dude, he's probably the second best player in baseball!" then I look at his numbers and I go, "dammit, this dude has had one AMAZING season, two good seasons and a one great season that was cut short due to injury"(this also depends on what site you use as everyone has valued him differently). I think he is a damn good player, but he has not exactly been like ARod or Bonds were while approaching free agency either. You are basically making the most expensive signing in baseball history on potential for a dude to regain his numbers from ideally 2 or 4 seasons ago... which was before a somewhat scary leg injury that has now caused his defensive numbers to spiral. That is definitely a scary proposition and sure it is easy to say "well it is not my money!", but there are other things this this team needs to think about too. They have guys like Seager, Buehler and Bellinger that they will have to start paying before too long amongst others. Btw speaking of Bellinger, you know that guy that many on here want jettisoned into the sun? Well he was considered more valuable in 2018 than Harper was either by a little(Fangraphs) or a lot (BBref) and has been more valuable(BBref) or about the same (Fangraphs) over the last two seasons. I think a lot of people would balk on this board to give Bellinger $300M+ over the next 10+ seasons in his current state.

    I have basically come away from this whole thing thinking this... if they sign Harper, fucking fantastic the dude has the chance to be a monster if he can regain his old form and it adds a serious presence in the middle of the lineup. If they don't sign him, well that is fine, but they better s go out and use the money they were throwing at Harper and improving this roster the best that they fucking can as the BS they pulled last offseason is no longer acceptable if I am not looking at new major presence in the middle of this lineup.
     
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    That slogan hasn't worked in quiet a while
     
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    Yeah, Good luck with that one, Miami!!!

    Jeter and the Marlins will abscond like the Colts once did and I'd wager Lurie has his money in Dubai with Dick Cheney! :D
     
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    NOW.... add in:

    The angst of the long awaiting diehard fans who aren't getting any younger,
    The annual strokes and the BS from MGMT when they have failed to get "The one guy they need" time and time again,
    My personal issue along with the others on Spectrum who are paying almost fucking double for our cable now,
    Wasted opportunities and whiffing on other players who wanted to come her, dating back to Guerrero
    Kershaw's prime
    WS drought that will soon be mentioned in the same breath as the fucking Indians

    SAY IT WITH ME "Fuck it! Sign Harper!"

    (come on, say it with me you pancake eating motherfucker!!!!!! ) :D :D :D :D :D
     
  6. ColoradoKidWitGame

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    Lucroy has been pretty rough behind the plate the last couple of seasons, which paired with his offensive woes doesn't make for a great option. You and I were thinking the same thing in that he appeared to be a nice high ceiling option out there. Would guess that they have better options in their mind out there.
     
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    I'd guess most likely. One of the MLB Radio guys just made an interesting point about Harper's meeting with the Nats over Christmas and the length it was. That is usually a sign that the player has decided on where he wants to play, but they are apart on terms. i.e. someone has come along and offered him a good bit more money to play somewhere that he plainly does not want to go. Boras likely arranged for Harper and the owner to meet to kinda twist the owners arm a bit to get a more knee jerk reaction to pony up the dough. Had it been a goodbye meeting, it would have been much shorter and returning players generally don't have these type of recruiting meetings at this stage of the game. They could have come away from the meeting not being able to get close enough, but it isn't incredibly likely....
     
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    Potentially a sign that Corey Kluber is not likely to be moved this offseason... Kluber announced today the date for his pitching camp just outside of Cleveland for June 10, an off day for the Indians in the middle of a 10 game homestand. Usually a player of his caliber will talk with the FO before going forward with something like this.
     
  9. irish

    irish DSP Staff Member Administrator

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    never got the feeling the indians were all that interested in dealing kluber
    maybe just floated his name out there with bauer to get bauer more visibility
    especially when they re-upped carrasco
     
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    They had done some small market moving and shaking the last couple years so I didn't put it past them
     
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    I think it was something that they explored early when they may have thought that they could not free up some funds and maybe could get a huge return for one of their pitchers. It sounds like the Dodgers and the Indians were a little apart though as they were said to have wanted multiple top prospects in return and I would not be shocked if the Dodgers were trying to send back Puig or Pederson and maybe a prospect not named Verdugo, Ruiz or Lux. There is another rumor out today that the Indians have cut off SP trade talks and have now focused on potential cheap upgrades to fill out the roster. It will be interesting if this decision causes the Royals, Tigers and potentially the White Sox to turn around and start looking at selling again. All 3 were said to be standing pat to see what the Indians were doing in case they tore down a bit of the roster.
     
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    • Jayson Stark has an interesting note about the Yankees and Phillies on the heels of the news from the past couple of days. Both the Phils and Yanks have switched their focuses towards the bullpen market in recent days. It could mean a number of things, but it likely means that Machado and Harper are close to announcing their decisions and these teams have an idea of where they're at.... or they've told these teams that they are still a couple weeks away(which if that is the case, fuck their agents). We are now closing in on a month until pitchers and catchers report with basically every team in the league still having numerous holes to fill. Something needs to fucking happen cause this shit has been boring as fuck.
    • Just like that, the Phillies and Robertson have agree to a deal(he wanted to stay on the east coast). Things are likely to get settled here on the FA reliever market pretty soon.

    • The word out of Miami continues to stay consistent with Realmuto. Rosenthal is saying that the Marlins want a stud 1-3 year player + top prospects, just not realistic when the dude is a 4-5 WAR player 2 years from FA and not 5-6+WAR player. Not to mention his Steamer projections are sub 4 WAR(so, not great) and worse than Cody Bellinger. Rosenthal made a good point in saying that Realmuto's value is only dropping at this point as teams do not like to acquire catchers in season unless it is a dire need. Some orgs still feel that the Marlins have to move him and the price will drop. Since the Dodgers FO are known for not blinking, I would not be shocked if they stay involved until the end.
    • Also according to Stark, Zach Britton has been holding out for a 4 year deal. Passan expects him to sign shortly, but it would be a shock if it is for 4 years.
     
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  13. irish

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    robertson is a good signing
    i wouldn't necessarily count philly out on others since their owner was quoted as saying they were going to spend "stupid" amounts
    but tbh who knows?
    i think manny signs in the next couple weeks
    but wouldn't be surprised if harper lingered into february as jeff passan predicted
    but i do think manny [signing], will open the floodgates -- pollock, et al
    marlins are completely delusional
    it's like they're trying to make up for their poor returns on ozsuna, stanton and yelich in one fell swoop
    and rosenthal is right, teams will pivot and look elsewhere and realmuto's stock will drop
     
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    I wonder what it would do to the market if Harper really does stick around until February. He and Machado are holding up so much of the marketplace, it could really muck things up. Manny signing could clear up the IF market somewhat, but it seems like there are also a handful of trades that are being held up by Harper right now.

    The Marlins are definitely overcompensating for their previous shortfalls which is in turn only hurting them. I would not be shocked if they are too stubborn about this and end up holding on to him and end up trading him for less. I would not be shocked if this whole ordeal negatively impacts his game somewhat and the Marlins are left looking like complete morons... again.
     
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    Just minor league depth addition from mlbtraderumors.com
    • The Dodgers have signed right-hander Markus Solbach to a minor league contract, as announced by Solbach’s team in the Australian Baseball League, the Adelaide Bite (Twitter link). The German-born Solbach has previously spent time in the minor league ranks with the Twins and D-backs in addition to four seasons pitching on the independent circuit (CanAm and Frontier leagues). This winter, the 27-year-old has turned in a ludicrous 0.43 ERA and a 55-to-7 K/BB ratio in 41 2/3 innings in the ABL. However, he hasn’t pitched in affiliated ball since notching a 3.56 ERA with 7.9 K/9 against 2.1 BB/9 through 65 2/3 frames with Arizona’s Class-A Advanced affiliate. Originally signed by Minnesota as a 19-year-old out of Germany, Solbach has pitched professionally in parts of eight seasons and generally demonstrated strong control with less-impressive strikeout numbers. He’s posted a cumulative 3.30 ERA, 6.5 K/9 and 1.9 BB/9 in 733 pro innings, though he’s never pitched above the Class-A Advanced level for an MLB organization.
    He supposedly has a pretty filthy change up.
     
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    But Harpers swing is more sweeter in Dodger Blue:thumbsup:
     
  17. irish

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    nosler, posted last night...


    What if the Dodgers don’t land Harper, Kluber or Realmuto?
    by Dustin Nosler | Dodgers Digest — 2 January 2019

    We’ve written many a word about potential roster moves we’d like to see this offseason. So far, things have been relatively quiet outside of trading away Yasiel Puig and Alex Wood (and Matt Kemp and Kyle Farmer) and signing Joe Kelly.

    The Dodgers have been linked to some of the biggest names on the market — specifically, Bryce Harper, Corey Kluber and J.T. Realmuto. We (fans) want two of them when one of them might be more realistic. But what if the Dodgers don’t get any of them? What happens then?

    Well, I’d be kinda mad online if they failed to land at least one of the trio above. And in only one scenario would it truly be the Dodgers’ fault (signing Harper).

    Here’s what the Dodgers still need to sort out this winter:

    CATCHER

    If Realmuto isn’t attainable, the Dodgers have to do something. Austin Barnes could still part of the solution, even after struggling mightily in 2018. But there would need to be another decent catcher brought in. Rocky Gale just isn’t gonna cut it and Keibert Ruiz and Will Smith won’t be ready until late-2019 at the earliest (and more likely 2020).

    Francisco Cervelli has been linked to the Dodgers and was, reportedly, almost traded to LA at the Winter Meetings for Ross Stripling. There hasn’t been much in the way of extra details with that rumor, but I’d think the Dodgers wouldn’t have to give up four years of team control for one year of Cervelli (at $11.5 million). Plus, Cervelli has a history of dealing with concussions, which is something to be a bit concerned about.

    Then there’s Yasmani Grandal. Recency bias will have folks not liking him as an option at all, but he’s one of the best all-around catchers in the game and is, somewhat remarkably, still a free agent. There was a report that he turned down a 4-year, $60 million deal from the Mets. I’m extremely skeptical this is true. If it is, then he really doesn’t want to play for the Mets, because there’s no other reason his agent would advise him to turn down that deal. So, if Grandal comes back on, say, a 1-year deal at a rate both he and the Dodgers could agree on, he’d go back into the free agent market without the qualifying offer attached to him, making him a more attractive option. I also don’t think teams are fretting over losing their second-highest (2nd-rounder for most teams) and $500,000 of international signing money to sign a Top 5 catcher. I really think most are being swayed by Grandal’s poor postseason performance. If that’s the case, the Dodgers could benefit by getting him back for another season.

    SECOND BASE

    Yes, the Dodgers have Enrique Hernandez, Max Muncy and Chris Taylor who can play second base (some better than others). Yet, the Dodgers could still be looking for a more permanent option. DJ LeMahieu is a guy I’ve liked all offseason and the Dodgers continue to be attached to him. If they were to bring in LeMahieu, they could shift Hernandez and Taylor to true utility roles, thus making them more valuable overall. Muncy wouldn’t be forced to play a position that doesn’t suit him very well and the Dodgers would add a high-contact player to their batting order — something they’ve been missing in recent years.

    Jed Lowrie is coming off a near 5-win season and, frankly, I’m surprised he hasn’t signed anywhere yet. He could be a strong alternative to LeMahieu. He’s better against right-handed pitching than lefties, so I’m not sure he fits exactly what the Dodgers are looking for in that regard. Brian Dozier has also been rumored, but I’m all-out on him. His time with the Dodgers last season was less-than-impressive.

    OUTFIELD

    If the Dodgers don’t land Harper, they don’t need another outfielder. It could be argued they don’t need Harper, but at the same time, they do. Just read anything I’ve written about Harper this offseason.

    Here’s the outfield depth chart as it stands today:

    • Joc Pederson LF
    • Cody Bellinger CF
    • Alex Verdugo RF
    • Chris Taylor CF/LF
    • Enrique Hernandez OF
    • Andrew Toles OF

    That’s not too bad. It’s a bit left-handed with guys who have trouble hitting lefties, but defensively it’s solid and Verdugo would finally have a chance to play. It’d look a hell of a lot better with Harper, but it’s fine as is. I don’t think the Dodgers should go after A.J. Pollock (a player they’ve been linked to) in this scenario.

    PITCHING

    There isn’t a ton left to do in regard to pitching. In the rotation, there isn’t a real upgrade outside Kluber (or Trevor Bauer) available at present. Yusei Kikuchi signed with the Mariners a couple days ago, so he’s off the board. Marcus Stroman is interesting, but he’s not a great present-day upgrade over what the Dodgers have now.

    In the bullpen, the addition of Kelly helps. Tony Cingrani is back and the only arbitration-eligible Dodger to avoid the process thus far. Pedro Baez, Yimi Garcia and Josh Fields were all tendered deals. Along with that quintet, the Dodgers still have Scott Alexander, JT Chargois, Caleb Ferguson, Dylan Floro and Kenley Jansen. That’s 10 relievers, and that doesn’t even include the likes of Kenta Maeda and/or Stripling. It also doesn’t account for other 40-man roster guys like Yadier Alvarez, Adam McCreery, Dennis Santana, Josh Sborz and Brock Stewart.

    Some folks want another addition, and while a guy like Adam Ottavino would be great, he hasn’t been linked to LA at all. David Robertson has, but I doubt the Dodgers give out another multi-year, multi-million deal to a reliever, even if he’s a good one. Kelvin Herrera has been mentioned, but he struggled last season, doesn’t miss as many bats as a guy with his stuff should and is coming off a torn Lisfranc ligament in his foot. He also missed two weeks in August with shoulder tightness. Finally, he saw his velocity drop 1 MPH from the previous season (and the lowest full-season velo of his career). Those are all pretty significant warning signs. If the Dodgers could get him on the cheap, then perhaps there’s a good investment there. Otherwise, they’ll probably go into the season with what they have on the roster right now. Also, there will be some non-roster invitees who will have a chance to win a job in Spring Training. Unless they get an established guy on the cheap, I’m not sure there’s another bullpen addition coming.

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    The Dodgers could go into the 2019 season and win the NL West with their current roster. The only true contender for the division title would be the Rockies, as the Diamondbacks and Giants are in the midst of a rebuild and the Padres’ youngsters haven’t yet gotten to the MLB level. But the goal is to win the World Series — especially after back-to-back Series losses. Not adding at least one of the — let’s lazily call them the “Big 3” — would hamper their chances to make it back to October, especially after teams like the Braves, Cardinals and yes, even the Mets, have improved dramatically this winter.

    If they don’t add Harper, Kluber or Realmuto, there’s still a chance to land an impact player at the trade deadline (as they have for the last four years), but the farm will eventually run dry if that’s the game plan every season.

    Signing Harper remains the biggest and best move they could make. Bringing in Kluber is second, but arguably the biggest luxury. Realmuto is third, but would fill the biggest need, though the alternatives to Realmuto are solid if Cervelli and Grandal are indeed those guys.

    There’s still a lot of winter left, so I don’t necessarily want to think “what if” they don’t land one of the Big 3 yet, but the odds seem to be better that they won’t than they will at the moment.
     
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    latest on britton
    4 years is absurd imo
    but hard to ever underestimate boras
    still, think he'd ultimately settle for something similar to robertson


    Yankees reportedly focused on Zach Britton
    by Steve Adams | MLB Trade Rumors — 43 minutes ago

    2:45pm: Fancred’s Jon Heyman tweets that the Yankees “seem focused” on Britton in their pursuit of bullpen upgrades, though he adds that the lefty is “believed” to have multiple offers in hand.

    2:08pm: Today’s agreement between the Phillies and David Robertson could accelerate the market for lefty Zach Britton, as ESPN’s Jeff Passan tweets that Britton “looks like the next reliever to go.” Britton was a known target of the Phillies before they signed Robertson and of the Cardinals before they signed Andrew Miller, and Passan adds that Britton has “been in discussions” with the Yankees recently. The Athletic’s Jayson Stark tweeted this morning, too, that the Yankees are “heavily focused” on the bullpen market at the moment and listed Britton as a target.

    As with any free agent, the asking price is a key, however, and Stark tweets that Britton and agent Scott Boras have been holding out for a four-year guarantee. That’s a huge ask for any reliever but particularly for one with Britton’s recent track record. Though there was a strong argument to be made that as recently as 2016, Britton was baseball’s premier reliever, the past two seasons have been decidedly less successful. Britton missed significant time in 2017 due to forearm issues and missed the first half of the 2018 campaign while recovering from surgery to repair a ruptured Achilles tendon suffered in offseason workouts.

    Because of those injuries, Britton has been limited to just 78 innings across the past two seasons and has had decidedly mixed results along the way. He’s registered a sharp 3.00 ERA in that time but also had diminished strikeout and walk numbers (7.3 K/9, 4.5 BB/9). Britton’s swinging-strike rate is down nearly five percent from its 17.2 percent peak in 2016, and his chase rate on pitches outside the strike zone has plummeted from a career-high 38.7 percent in 2015 to 29.5 percent last season. Velocity, too, has served as a red flag. Though Britton’s infamous sinker gained some speed as the 2018 season wore on and he distanced himself from that Achilles surgery, even his end-of-season velocity was well south of the 97.1 mph he averaged on his sinker in 2016.

    None of that is to say that Britton is no longer a quality bullpen option. Even with diminished results, he’s still elite in terms of inducing ground-balls, limiting hard contact and avoiding the long ball. Given that he only just turned 31, it’s certainly plausible that a full offseason of rest and regular workouts could allow Britton to return to the pre-injury form he displayed from 2014-16 when he posted an unthinkable 1.38 ERA with a nearly 80 percent ground-ball rate, better than a strikeout per inning (9.3 K/9) and strong control (2.4 BB/9) through a span of 209 innings.

    In that sense, Britton possesses a higher ceiling than any available reliever. However, his two most recent seasons should create some real cause for concern. Relievers with red flags can certainly still get paid — Miller secured a $25MM guarantee over two years from the Cardinals on the heels of an injury-marred season of his own — but a four-year pact would be a particularly strong outcome for a pitcher whose recent performance simply hasn’t aligned with his name value.
     
  19. Dodgers99

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    I was looking at the HOF ballot, their are 10(!) former Dodgers on it.
     
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    why not let Ruiz and Smith show what they have in spring training?
    i know it all comes down to the math now but isn't there still room for a kid to arrive on his schedule?
     
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