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  1. TAFNAC

    TAFNAC Cossack Staff Member Administrator

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    I would say undocumented immigrant is just as loaded, if not more than illegal immigrant.

    I guess it boils down to whether you think people are breaking the law or not.
     
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    Illegal alien is a fact. Technicality wins in law.
    Undocumented immigrant is a truth. Truth wins everywhere else.

    Anyone in a country that is part of the US empire should be automatically have the right to apply as a dreamer and go through the vetting process.
    It's the least we can do to nations like Mexico, Canada, and our Central American and maritime holdings.
    Any candidate to promise that action wins.
     
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    #TruthOverFacts?

    Rube and Mouse throwing straight heat on D-Day.
     
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    I don’t know. If they are referenced in the tax code, most likely it says “DACA recipient”.

    They might not be named at all in the tax code, as (thanks to a Google search I found out) they are eligible for either a SSN or ITIN, which they would use for filing taxes.
     
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    So you’re a North Anericanist? Racist.
     
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    Colombia may get a pass.
     
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    Manhattan DA says arrested rioters will not be charged
     
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    Fake news, as far as I understand it.

    The Manhattan DA will not charge protestors who were arrested for minor infractions such as breaking curfew or unlawful assembly. People arrested for destruction of property or robbery will still be charged.
     
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    Thanks for the clarification

    What was the district attorney's justification for this though? I don't think they should choose whether or not to charge somebody based on "morals" which I heard was a justification. That's far too relative and I'd imagine the moral justification only goes one direction. I understand there has to be some discretion when you're dealing with these types of things but I'm skeptical of lopsided moral relativism.
     
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    Morals is the actual basis behind the law.
    This isn't lopsided.
    Imo it is setting a good precedent going forward.
    The cops are morality police.
    That is their job historically.
    Like clerics enforcing Sharia.
     
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    What moral consensus created these new laws that only some must conform to but not others?
     
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    Moral consensus.
     
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    Having discretion about which laws to enforce gives too much power to law enforcement, and allows unjust laws to stay on the books.
     
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    For what it’s worth, I personally agree with @TAFNAC on the amount of discretion given to DA’s. It’s too much. It’s actually one of the issues I’ve seen addressed in the BLM movement, because that discretion can obviously be used for nefarious reasons against black people (or against any group or person really).

    On the topic of the protestors, one article I saw said that the Manhattan DA’s office typically drops curfew charges after 6 months if the accused stays out of trouble during that time. From what I can tell, the DA is dropping those charges without the 6 month period. It’s different, but not drastically different, and not a serious crime or charge in either case. I saw there were over 1600 arrests of protestors in Manhattan over the past week, maybe he just doesn’t want his department to have to deal with all that paperwork?
     
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    A society can drift so far from the truth that it will eventually hate those who speak it.
     
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    Not justice at all.
    Here's the flip argument.
    How you gonna purge racists cops and fascist drones in most depts?
    You can't.
    Nothing that's been tried internally ever works.
    This may be the only way.
    Force them to resign.

    Real police will get regular jobs or serve otherwise.
    Racists and tyrants will find other outfits to join where they can openly display their more canine natures.

    You can look at how police react and see whose a servant of the people and whose a salaried dog on some fat cats leash.
     
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    I disagree.
    Your argument is the same Jesuit argument.
    The...You can't survive without us because we keep you safe from witches and demons argument.
    And that's why the devil needs an advocate.
    And why he gets good deals.
     
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    Wow...really insulting to dogs.
    " Canine nature" ?
     
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    Dogs aren't bitches.
    Therefore they dont get insulted.
     
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    @blazer5 @rube @fsudog21 @TAFNAC @BlueMouse

    "I am dropping all charges for RIOTING that resulted from the protests in Fort Worth"

    Call the original report fake news for being a degree off, fine--but Manhattan got the ball rolling by not charging for illegal assembly based on political ideology, and now Fort Worth is dropping chargers for RIOTING. Destruction of property.

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