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Bluezoo · Jul 30, 2015

Doughty8 said: ↑

Beauty is in the eyes of the beholder. The FO thinks we have chips but the other FO has to want them. Why is a reason for something ALWAYS an excuse???????????????? I don't get that at all.
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I agree with you to some degree...beauty is in the eye of the beholder. We here, all assumed that the FO wanted/coveted/needed (whatever word is
OK now) Hamels and Price. Like we all surely thought they would. Maybe they weren't making up dreamy lineups with those names on them,
Maybe they looked at them, and shrugged their shoulders and didn't care, flat out. Maybe...
I guess, considering that possibility, what we did get is, at worst, a set rotation with competent fill ins, and what would seem to be better in the BP.
Peraza was a nice bonus.

Chiefdodgerslkrs24 · Jul 30, 2015

jpldodgers said: ↑

Not winning a WS is one thing, but seeing the Giants win 3 WS in 5 years has been really hard. I think I'd go streaking and end up in jail with disorderly conduct if the Dodgers won the WS....as happy as I would be, it would also feel like a huge sigh of relief.
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Yeah, even worse, I've lived in the Bay area for their last 2. I hate it so much.

Bluezoo · Jul 30, 2015

Chiefdodgerslkrs24 said: ↑

Yeah, even worse, I've lived in the Bay area for their last 2. I hate it so much.
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Do you hate orange ? I imagine you can't stand it.

C2ThaB81 · Jul 30, 2015

I guess I can't say I'm completely disappointed we didn't end up with price, Hamels or cueto. Obviously it would have been nice to have that 1-2-3 combo but I think wood, latos and Anderson is a tough middle to back end of the rotation. Especially considering the load of talent they wanted in return. Bolstered the bullpen too but I still hope we can get another strong reliever before tomorrow.

Doughty8 · Jul 30, 2015

I don't know what's going to happen next but one things for sure this FO is fun to observe!!!!!!!!!!! I'm not sure if they did this on purpose but getting this deal done during an off day allows guys to make it here with an opportunity to pitch. With all this Chapman talk anyone here interested in Kimbrel?

irish · Jul 30, 2015

C2ThaB81 said: ↑

I guess I can't say I'm completely disappointed we didn't end up with price, Hamels or cueto.
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just goes to show all the insiders don't really know more than any of us
rumors are just that, and us being the favorites for hamels and making price our priority ending up being just a guess
that said, who knows what tomorrow holds?...

sleepy floyd · Jul 30, 2015

Soria to PITT

Bluezoo · Jul 30, 2015

Did anyone see Upton's HR in the driving rainstorm in NY? I'm talking SE Asia horizontal rain.
How far does it go in no rain at all ?

Dodgers99 · Jul 30, 2015

Doughty8 said: ↑

I don't know what's going to happen next but one things for sure this FO is fun to observe!!!!!!!!!!! I'm not sure if they did this on purpose but getting this deal done during an off day allows guys to make it here with an opportunity to pitch. With all this Chapman talk anyone here interested in Kimbrel?
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Nope. He's under control for 2 more years and an option, I can't see he or Jansen being happy in an 8th inning role.

I would be more interested in a guy like Benoit.

jpldodgers · Jul 30, 2015

Watch the Angels trade for Uribe

Dodgers99 · Jul 30, 2015

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One AL exec believes #Dodgers *still* trying to add a starting pitcher, even after the 13-player deal.

Doughty8 · Jul 30, 2015

Dodgers99 said: ↑

Nope. He's under control for 2 more years and an option, I can't see he or Jansen being happy in an 8th inning role.

I would be more interested in a guy like Benoit.
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Kenley is showing some chinks in his armor this year but I get you. I think he's allowed a run in his last 6 appearances or something similar. Just a thought. Don't get me wrong I'd want Kenley to coexist with Kimbrel.

THINKBLUE · Jul 30, 2015

Dodgers99 said: ↑

Nope. He's under control for 2 more years and an option, I can't see he or Jansen being happy in an 8th inning role.

I would be more interested in a guy like Benoit.
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roles eh? Ugh

IBleedBlue15 · Jul 30, 2015

I don't think this FO will let "rolez" get in the way of getting the best players.

Chiefdodgerslkrs24 · Jul 30, 2015

Bluezoo said: ↑

Do you hate orange ? I imagine you can't stand it.
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they've made me hate halloween

Based God · Jul 30, 2015

Keith laws opinion on trade

The Dodgers desperately needed another starter, with two of their planned five starters from Opening Day out for the season and no organizational starting pitching depth. Mike Bolsinger has far outstripped expectations and his minor league performances, but he also has been very fortunate to keep the ball in the park as much as he has, and isn't someone the Dodgers would want to roll out in a playoff game. Enter Latos, who has been pitching as well as he did in his two full seasons with the Cincinnati Reds (2013-14, when he had a 3.32 ERA/3.48 FIP over 420 innings and just more than 8 WAR), but has had bad luck with men on base, especially in scoring position, something that is out of line with the rest of his career. He's getting more outs with his fastball, the new splitter has become a very effective second weapon even as his slider has regressed, and his control is as good as it was before injuries took out half his 2014 season. He's a big upgrade in quality and in quantity -- he takes some pressure off the bullpen -- and is probably worth two extra wins to the Dodgers the rest of the way, perhaps more if you compare his production to the current crop of Dodgers fifth starters.

The Dodgers also pick up lefty Alex Wood, who has been excellent over the past two-plus years for Atlanta, reaching the majors just a year after he was drafted, then developing a much-needed third pitch (a curveball) to give him the pitch mix to work as a starter. However, his arm action is long and awkward, and he had Tommy John surgery before he was drafted. He also has seen his velocity and strikeout rate gradually decline over the past two years (although he split time between the rotation and bullpen in his rookie season). Four years of control of even a league-average starter is a valuable asset, and one that helps the Dodgers, who have only two starting-pitching prospects (Julio Urias and Jose De Leon) close to the majors, but I worry that Wood may have already peaked. Even so, 10 starts each from Wood and Latos for the rest of the year significantly increases the Dodgers' odds of winning the division, especially with the Giants appearing unlikely to add a significant starter before the deadline.

Jose Peraza, also heading to the Dodgers, was Atlanta's top prospect coming into the season, but has a .318 OBP with little power in Triple-A right now, and most scouts and execs I've talked to feel like his ceiling is lower than expected; he's going to be a quality regular, but probably not an above-average one or a star. I would modify that if the Dodgers put him back at shortstop where he belongs; Atlanta moved him off short under the Frank Wren regime because they had Andrelton Simmons in the majors, even though at that point Peraza was a good two years away from the big leagues. Peraza is a natural shortstop and became a plus defender at second right away; he's probably a grade 55 (on the 20-80 scouting scale) defender back at short and, with that, doesn't need to do much more than hit an empty .270-280 and steal some bases to be a very good big leaguer.

The Dodgers' haul also includes two relievers, lefty Luis Avilan and right-hander Jim Johnson, helping address a weakness in the middle innings, although they're just fine in the ninth with Kenley Jansen and have gotten very good work from Yimi Garciabefore him. Mike Morse is just a throw-in, earning $8 million next year but a long way removed from the career year he had in 2011, as he can't play any position at even an average level and doesn't get on base or make much contact against right- or left-handed pitching. Taking on his salary probably helped the Dodgers add the compensatory draft pick that's going to Atlanta and avoid giving up that much to Miami in prospects.

Zach Bird, a very athletic player who just turned 21 and has struck out over a man an inning in the hitter-friendly Cal League this year. Bird is typically 90-94 with an above-average curveball and changeup, and his delivery works well, but he was very raw when he signed as a 17-year-old out of high school in 2012 and is still learning to repeat the delivery and has below-average command and control even now. He has mid-rotation starter upside, but the risk of him never getting there is still high. It will be great for him to move to a less hostile environment in the Carolina League.

Atlanta also gets lefty Paco Rodriguez, who has two modes -- effective and injured, with the latter in play at the moment. He'll likely have periods of both modes over the next few years, as he was considered a high-injury risk out of the draft in 2012, with several teams taking him off their draft boards due to medical concerns, but when he's on the mound he's death to lefties and useful against righties, the type of player Atlanta could flip next July if he's healthy to acquire a longer-term asset.

For Atlanta, therefore, this deal revolves around Olivera. If the Braves are right and he's an above-average or better regular right now, then it's a good trade for them, especially since they'll only have to pay him $32 million over five years. Getting Bird and the pick are positives, but their present value isn't enough to materially alter the balance of the deal right now. If they're too optimistic and/or Olivera's elbow blows out, then they gave up a lot of future value in Wood and Peraza to acquire a player who doesn't do enough to push them toward contention in 2017 when Boondoggle Field opens in Cobb County.

The Marlins get relief prospect Jeff Brigham, who's mostly 94-97 with some sink but lacks plane or secondary stuff, and two other potential low-end relievers in Victor Araujo and Kevin Guzman (currently starting in low-A). This deal was just about clearing salary for them, exactly as you'd expect from a team owned by someone who fleeced the taxpayers of Florida for a stadium that only enriches him and has left the handful of true Marlins fans every bit as bad off as they were with the old ballpark.
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Doughty8 · Jul 30, 2015

Mlb network just did a FWAR based analysis on our before and after trade ratings. We gained a little over 2 points

C2ThaB81 · Jul 30, 2015

irish said: ↑

just goes to show all the insiders don't really know more than any of us
rumors are just that, and us being the favorites for hamels and making price our priority ending up being just a guess
that said, who knows what tomorrow holds?...
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True dat

Doughty8 · Jul 30, 2015

20 hours 51 minutes to go lol. I'm going to be on DFA watch tonight.

Chiefdodgerslkrs24 · Jul 30, 2015

Doughty8 said: ↑

20 hours 51 minutes to go lol. I'm going to be on DFA watch tonight.
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Beachy is a likely candidate. Sounds like he left OKC stadium with his bags packed and was scratched from tonight's start.

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