yeah i'm not a very religious guy either but by god its just too much of a hassle to make the separation and whats the big deal? i sit in church w my mom and listen i don't kneel before the priest or take the host because i'm not a part but i am a part in the sense i'd rather be on the side of people who at least attempt to make themselves better church is full of hypocrites and people who need it just like AA most people in either one of those cultures are generally decent and courteous people and i am going to treat them w respect they stand for something in their own lives and try to present their best self to the world i can get behind that even if its not my exact thing and this nation was founded under god so i'm going with that don't feel like pulling that apart when its what held us together all this time
Because you still have those rights even if you don't choose to ascribe them to a supreme being. They just exist. You don't need God for liberty
I'm not religious at all, but I respect people's beliefs. That's the issue I have with most athiests: The self-satisfied belief that they have a rational position and others believe in a fairy tale. I hate that shit.
nothing is free you are not born with any rights you are lucky you had parents you are lucky you are born here you arent right, you have no rights you got lucky, babe but others... not so much which blows away the whole idea of people being born with rights ask people born in north korea about being born with rights ask all the late term abortions about rights those north koreas cannot understand the concept of state sponsored rights as we see them in the west just like a baby in the womb but they can understand about god given rights because the state is under god it is the mandate of heaven and the world knows this to be true if they search their heart they just have to be reminded to re-search and then they will fight for their right to party (fellowship/group/circle) states rights are not universal, very much depend on which state (condition/situation) you are born into but god given rights are universal and you can fight for them without any fear warriors fight for god given rights soldiers fight for state given rights why party? because you need a party to protect you when you go into the maze you dont go down into the dungeon alone, you always party up first you own property if you own a beachfront property it is yours but do you have a right to keep the sand to yourself and not allow others to play in it? do you have a right to close off access to your beach? no, that would be infringing on others rights to use the beach to give others those rights they had to take away your rights. in fact others have rights to your land, they have the right to an easement that you are required to provide so they can walk with all their noisy family right by your shower window as your wife is disrobed getting ready in the morning. what can you do... it is their right of way. which fucks up your privacy somebody gave them those rights over you the beach did not give them those rights the government does and then gives them the teeth to bite you with rights are given by god which means that over the years we have worked out that these are the highest ideals for mankind so they 'must' be god given. because if any dude would have given them they would not be the highest of ideals rights in general are given to you by those that govern you, that is why they are called rights you are not free but we will grant you a license to do something, like drive for instance you have the right to drive, that right is called license a right is a power, and power comes with responsibility who are you responsible to? they go hand in hand, if not you have to give back your spidey suit to iron man. we know what rights are given by governments and other institutions of governance/braking. and what rights they pretend to give you knowing full well they cant hold you responsible those rights, the ones that only your conscience can hold you responsible for are your god given powers the ones you have to be very careful how you use or there will be hell to pay. and you will feel like shit and then there are guys who believe its their job to defend those powers and to prosecute those who have misused their powers and those eastern star mediaeval Punishers are no fun and neither are their sickles to the throat
I hate it too because it is the exact opposite of what being an atheist is supposed to mean. Being an atheist is not that that you believe there is no god. You believe, you so clearly believe. Being an atheist means nothing today. Wait till the religious police come around though. When those annoying fundamentalists are given teeth to go along with their bark. Then being an atheist will be an actual thing. It will mean that you do not believe in the "god" of the powerful, or that you do not properly pay it lip service. Because you must serve 'their' god. Either by free will (your forehead/frontal lobe), or by compulsion/force (palm of your hand). Which will then make you a heretic, a blasphemer, an atheist fit to be tied, excoriated, then burned. You know, like the early christians and every single group of people who have tried to follow or spread that same spirit/gist/substance that has been persecuted to death by the powers who believe that they are the ones that hold the power to hand out god given rights. AKA the kings of the blasphemers, liars, muderers, who play god to the masses and rake in the bucks, power or both, prestige. Which if you know about prestige... its the veil the magician uses to hide his tricks. And you his trick. Now go get that money, honey. Papa needs a new pair of ruby red slippers.
Rube That was one heck of a discourse, and you are crazy as fuck. But there is a sagacity to your moralistic interpretation of ancient fables even if you'd not admit them to be fables. I appreciate poring through your logic strings and separating where you make sense vs. blowing smoke. There's plenty of smoke too, but you know that... and likely grin as you compose your pithy embedded thoughts. You are also completely full of shit. You know that too. Still quite entertaining. It has been shown that a great many statements in the bible are complete fabrications. Methuselah did NOT live 960 years. It has also been shown that many things are rooted in (poorly understood) events of the day which modern man could reason away with science and physics, the ancients without these not so much. So they composed moralistic fables to keep the sheep in line, and to milk them of their hard earned wages. The Catholic church ran the known world for half a millenia with a closed mind, an iron fist and death to non "believers" with behaviors that today would be protested far and wide. Like we protest the BS "religion of peace". Hollow ring the words when your side was one of the worst players. Other Organized Religions saw their success (and fabulous wealth) and invented their own sets of moralistic bullshit fables in order to carve out their own 'milking grounds' of citizenry. Even the loony damned Mormons and Scientoligists. Organized Religion = ALL THIEVES, par excellence. THAT is what OR is. Umm except YES it does. Being an atheist especially means that there is no god as defined by ANY of these OR holy books. Can there be no OR defined god and still be some universal connectedness between humans? You bet. I do. I do not own the sand. I also have the showers far away from the public walkway. Yep. The portion behind my gate the public has no rights to access. No water. Not to use my restroom. Nothing. Stay on the sand and enjoy. Yep. Follow the rules and continue to enjoy said rights. The North Korea example is no more valid that the late term abortion example. "IF" you were born here in the USA we have agreed that being born provides you with inalienable rights. Get born in NK or China and that is YOUR problem. Die not being born and then you're dead so what? No rights to dead babies. Oh well. No rights for North Koreans because their despotic leader doesn't care to permit them into the 20th century, let alone the 21st? Oh well.
With you bubba but it IS a big deal. Our country is unique in that we embrace the separation of church and state due to watching the British Gubberment/Church of England abusive hegemony for decades. You can believe what you wish, Betty can believe what she wishes, heck even Rube can believe what he wishes, it's just that those "belief systems" have no place in commonwealth governance. Our country was founded on religious freedom as well as all the other freedoms we 'hold self evident'. Believe anything but do not believe that anyone's beliefs should form a set of governance. Not here. Maybe in Iran or Syria you can let a religion or two control their lives but not in the USA. It IS a big deal because the USA gubberment is supposed to look out for ALL CITIZENS not just those who worship at the 'chosen' house of worship. One of Trump's bigger mistakes/lies was openly catering to the OR religious bigots in the south. He needed their congregations votes but has since then has not been particularly religious. Thankfully. He has enough other evil intentions without giving the religious zealots any more steam. The part about being part of a group trying to make themselves better" is awesome. I've engaged in many long winded arguments with Ricky, Brent and Mikey about this topic and atheist Brent has always maintained that we should get rid of all OR at once, ignoring the good provided in their moralistic teachings. Mikey stays focused on teaching moralistic lessons being difficult to accomplish without OR and don't kill it until you figure out what can do a better job for the citizenry. Which sounds muy bueno just long enough to notice a) the lack of separation of church $$ and state has corrupted the state; b) the fact that calling oneself a religion frees all tax obligations despite how many millions you fleece; and c) nearly every OR church has endured one scandal after another raping and pillaging those they were sworn to protect. So how moral can the Catholic church pretend to be today? I mean I like the new pope but the level of false piety from the church is disgusting.
'oh well' does not fit into the worldview i am talking about morals are about lifting people up, it is a term people have deliberately confused morals are like team chemistry in that way, hard to pinpoint what it is when its not an issue but when its an issue you can see clearly what bad chemistry is same with morals yes, parts of the bible are fables, the bible is a compendium of all sorts of writings. there are lists and lists and lists, ever read the epics attributed to some 'one' dude 'named' Homer, same thing is found there. fables are like myths, they are things people say people say a lot of things, some good some bad you must test them in contrast to their fruits everything produces fruit, good or bad i love mediaeval romance, grew up on that english stuff like most of us but most of the stories are lifted directly from the bible because much like aesops tales they have stood the test of time as being good thematic lessons for forming minds a young mind makes lots of errors but it can be easily diverted down a different stream no one is changing nobodies mind about nothing only a miracle can make you repent you cant do shit to a mind thats already formed have you forgotten why ultimately the hare loses the race? you ever caught a rabbit?
So whats that mean then? That line. I dropped it a few times the past month, you the first to pick it up. (if) You never caught a rabbit (then) You aint no friend of mine. What/Who is a rabbit ? Who/What is caught? Who/What is a friend?
Nice! You hit it hard on the head. Elmer Fudd is to Elvis Presley what american popular music was to early rocknroll. Elmer Fudd was to Elvis Presley what the old man is to the young kid. Old means old, but more than that it means dead. Not old as in number of years, but old as in worldview/mindset/thinking. The past/dead. That is Elmer Fudd. Now what can an old person generally not do? One who cant think like the younger people? Its not that is not smarter, or that he has alzheimers. Its that the world has spun again as it does every 20 and 40 years and he failed to vert. Not keeping up with the times, but being in time. Like musically. Which all just means one thing. Getting it. Are you getting it? Armagedon it? You got to feel it in your blood, aahaahaah. When you got that Lust for Life... You Cant Help Falling In Love. What are plaboy bunnies? What are rabbits known for?
well its never going to be a moral operation in regards to the church itself but the people who take guidance can and do benefit i don't think the business aspect will ever change w any religion if they all used even half of their donated tax free money to really help end starvation it would be over
EXACTLY. Which is the singular reason they (Organized Religions) were granted tax exempt status in the first place. but no. not today. today all those well greased tithes line the required majority of the 435 so that the status quo never changes
https://sports.yahoo.com/donald-tru...co-giants-one-point-apparently-203044598.html Donald Trump wanted to buy the San Francisco Giants at one point, apparently It’s been brought to light now, however, that Trump once talked to former San Francisco Giants owner Bob Lurie about buying the franchise. We’re talking about a team that won three World Series in five years, how much winning could they have possibly done? Andrew Baggarly ✔@extrabaggs HOLY CRAP GUYS pic.twitter.com/6pNlJIFqq7 10:50 AM - Aug 4, 2017
Like we just knew this guy was light in the loafers anyways Stay away from the kids you perv.. though you're welcome to hang with the vaGiants
pretty fair assessment of where things are going http://conservativefighters.com/new...l&utm_source=facebook.com&utm_campaign=buffer