Discussion in 'Los Angeles DODGERS' started by ColoradoKidWitGame, Dec 18, 2019.
What a shit show of a trade that would have been...
It made no fucking sense...
The Dodgers have been ranked #3 by Baseball America, one behind the Padres and the Rays leading the way. Man, Wander Franco could be something as everyone is gushing over him. I have said this a couple of times over the last couple years, but there is a solid chance that the Dodgers system sees a large drop next season as the teams top 3, and for 4 of their top 5 prospects are expected to graduate this season. Only Alex Verdugo and Will Smith graduated last year.
Fangraphs dropped their top 120. Some notes from them
They said that Lux is probably the best hitter coming up outside of Wander Franco right now and has his hit tool as a 60 now with a 70 future, plus 60 present power and 70 future. Those are huge numbers and would make him an elite all around hitter as they think he can catch up to elite velo while still recognizing good breaking pitches. The only negative is his throwing which is considered below average and they think he is destined for the OF (which makes trading Jeter Downs a bit more scary) because of it. His bat will play anywhere, but if the yips comeback, they will need to move him out of the IF.
They like May, but don't see him as an ace or #2 like the others do. They think he gives up too much contact and he doesn't have a great variant with his offspeed stuff. They think he needs to really develop a change to take a step in the right direction, but so far the results are lacking. The way some things were scrapped in his big league debut makes them think the club does not like the quality of his secondaries that we rarely saw after his call up. They graded them well, but they think there are variance issues at play. We will see how he improves, but those are some interesting notes that I have not seen until now.
Gray is projected as a #4, but with a decent chance to be much more as he is WAY advanced for someone that is this early into a conversion. He does a great job of commanding his pitches, especially his fastball up in the zone. His slider flashes +, but he has not quite synced it up to be consistent, though it is a solid offering. The change is average, but MLB'ers would destroy it in it's current state as he slows his arm down noticeably. This review would make it hard to see him making the big league roster at any point this season.
Interesting take on Gonsolin as they say he has one of the best change ups in the minors and then proceed to give it just a 55 grade. They talk about deception with his arm angle that somehow brings out more movement than usual for it. They mention that the velo was down in the 91-96 range. That is a lot of range and unless he knows how to use it and this is his own doing, that could be a bit of a red flag. Command is below average, which is normal for a late bloomer, but he will need to do more with it if he is going to be anything more than a back of the rotation starter. They see his most likely outcome in the pen, but he does have the stuff to be a quality starter if he can tighten some things up with even a chance to go as far as being a star front of the rotation starter(though that is a SMALL chance).
FG thinks Ruiz is a lot better than he is getting credit for, but they mentioned that reviews around the game are becoming more and more unfavorable about him. They say the same thing we've been reading in that he makes a lot of contact, but it is bad contact since he has such great hand-eye coordination that he hits a lot of bad balls. They thought he looked very good behind the plate when they have seen him, but once again, their scouts were not positive about him. He needs to be more selective and start making more powerful contact as this paired with decent defensive skills will make him a very good catcher.
They dropped Graterol after everything about his medicals and the feeling that he will no longer be in the rotation. They think he has the stuff to be a frontline starter, but now see him destined for the pen. He was showing a feel for a change before mostly scrapping it after getting the call to the bigs(threw it 3 times, one resulted in a massive bomb). His slider/FB combo make for a high leverage reliever, but he is going to have to correct a release point issue that I have seen mentioned already one other time today. His FB/SL combo are good enough that he could be a starter, but that may not be the best use for him unless he gets that change working as well. The other piece I was reading about him today said that the Dodgers are one of the best clubs at fixing release point issues and if they can get him right, he may have even more upside in the tank. Fingers crossed.
Some other notes from the Fangraphs list as well as the chat.
They are mixed on Jeter Downs, but have him ranked highly. This marked the second time that I saw that the feeling is that he is maxed out build-wise and that is worrisome as he could struggle with good velo. The feeling is that he will hit enough to start, but he will not be elite. He also seems to be destined for 2B or 3B and if Lux's throwing issues are real, plus there is a feeling that Hoese has a higher ceiling, so he could have been the odd man out in short order.
They now have Yusniel Diaz as a bench type player and missed the list entirely, ouch.
They have Jo Adell with a 40 arm... that is baaaad. So he is destined for LF that is kinda taken right now in that org.
They really like former Dodgers prospect Oneil Cruz. They say he has massive upside with two 80 grade tools, but a huge floor too. Still can't believe a prospect like that only netted us Tony fucking Watson. Longenhagen(One of their main contributors) loves him, but scouts don't seem as high.
Andy Pages and Michael Busch were on their list for guys potentially to rise this season due to their pop. He says that Busch was a top 10 pick last year in the eyes of some and the feeling is that he will hit in the big leagues, both for power and contact. The big question mark is if he can play even passable D at 2B and what he saw of him last year, makes him think that Busch can't.
Cartaya could see a rise from the catchers division, but there are questions about his build as he thinks he could be too big for the position. Does admit that he has the highest ceiling of any catcher right now.
MLB.com also had a mini chat today and one thing mentioned was the Dodgers strong quartet of int'l guys that will be interesting to watch. Cartaya and Rodriguez will be in the org's top 10, while Pages will be close behind. Alex De Jesus will be in the early 20's, there are some people around the game that REALLY like him, Callis here says that he has the potential to be a regular at 3B. He gives very high marks for Cartaya and Rodriguez on both sides of the ball.
If there is one thing I can’t fault the FO for is their ability to find and develop talent. Such a huge difference from the McCourt days.
It is honestly incredibly impressive and something I wish the fanbase was more proud of. All the scouting agencies are gushing over what an accomplishment this has been where we consistently draft in the bottom of the rounds, have generally the smallest draft/signing pools and yet have still graduated a near consensus Top 25 prospect each of the last 5+ seasons (Verdugo, Buehler, Bellinger, Urias, Seager, Pederson and Puig) and remained atop prospect boards. This has all come without our Int'l scouting department bearing ANY fruit in that time, which is now about to change as the new crews kids are beginning to come stateside and this mixed with our already well regarded national crew could mean a much more loaded system all together. I have said that I am as frustrated as anyone that we have never won the whole thing, but at the same time, we are set up to potentially contend much longer than most organizations 2-4 year windows.
Someone posted a gif of Cartaya destroying a pitch at camp yesterday. Nothing else to talk about here, but it was nice....
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