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  1. ColoradoKidWitGame

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    My thinking is that the Dodgers leaked the Price AND Greinke thing to maybe get teams to be more reasonable with asking prices for players in trades with them. Just like a, "get realistic or we're just gonna buy both of these guys and keep our prospects". My whole thought process has been the club is going to start setting up the dominoes to start knocking them down around the Winter Meetings.
     
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    In your estimation what's a reasonable asking price for Shelby Miller?
     
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    I honestly have no clue what a reasonable offer is, but if it is someone like Puig, Pederson or Urias I'll probably be pissed. His numbers were very good last year, but I don't think he has a higher ceiling than Puig or Urias and moving Pederson just opens up other holes. I meant more in the scheme of things teams are probably asking for a lot since the Dodgers are loaded with top flight young talent, so it may have been a warning shot to everyone to get realistic.
     
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    I tend to agree, my thought pretty much ever since Anderson took the QO was that they still need 2 starters, would hate to go into the season with Ryu & Anderson as your 3/4, given the injury history of one and the recent injury of the other. Whether those 2 starters are Greinke/Price & a cost controlled starter like Shelby Miller, 2 mid-level FAs (I know a lot of people here would be pissed) or 2 starters via trade, who knows.
     
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    lol
    a little fuck you to the yankees
     
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    Kershaw, Greinke, Kazmir, Ryu, Anderson

    Kazmir will be cheaper and we can afford to roll the dice.
    We use the money saved on a power hitter and a top reliever like O'Day.
    Sign Chris Davis to play LF and eventually take over for Gonzales at 1B when its his time to go.
    Last move would be to get a leadoff hitter in trading Alex Wood to the Marlins for Dee Gordon.

    Dee
    Turner
    Seager
    Gonzales
    Davis
    Puig
    Joc
    Grandal
     
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    Get over Dee he's gone, see you later bye
     
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    racist
     
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    Where will Johnny Cueto end up signing?
    by David Schoenfield | ESPN — 2 hours ago

    Steve Gilbert ✔ @SteveGilbertMLB
    Source: Johnny Cueto turned down 6-year $120 million
    offer from #Dbacks http://atmlb.com/21nSuif

    7:49 PM - 29 Nov 2015

    It's not surprising that Johnny Cueto would turn down the Diamondbacks' offer considering it's less money on an average annual basis than Jordan Zimmermann just agreed to with the Tigers (five years, $110 million) and Cueto is the better pitcher and the same age.

    But is it possible that's the best offer Cueto receives? Even though only Clayton Kershaw has a better ERA among starting pitchers since 2011, Cueto's free agency comes with a couple of red flags: his struggles with the Royals after coming over from the Reds (he posted a 4.76 ERA in 13 starts); and a tender elbow that twice caused the Reds to give him extra rest between starts before trading him (he went from May 19 to June 2 without pitching, which was the longest layoff). While an MRI in May revealed no structural damage to his elbow, the medical records will certainly be a huge factor in Cueto's next contract.

    The more difficult assessment for teams will be analyzing what happened with the Royals. Cueto did at least regain some lost luster with two strong starts in the postseason -- eight innings of two-run baseball against the Astros and then a complete-game two-hitter against the Mets -- although those were sandwiched around an eight-run blow-up against the Blue Jays. His wOBA allowed in the postseason was actually higher than it was during his 13 regular-season starts with the Royals:

    Reds: .223 wOBA allowed
    Royals regular season: .314 wOBA
    Postseason: .351 wOBA​

    Here is Cueto's wOBA allowed in the regular season against each of his pitches with the Reds (left) and Royals:

    Fastball: .223, .314
    Cutter: .281, .419
    Changeup: .301, .345
    Slider: .287, .476​

    Was it mechanics? Location? Stuff? Something related to the elbow? During that rough five-start stretch when he allowed 48 hits and 30 runs in 26.1 innings, his cutter in particular had flattened out with little to no movement. Cueto did have some bad luck with BABIP, but he was leaving pitches up in the zone too often. It wasn't just the cutter; his fastball and slider were also much less effective. With the Reds, he had a 17.5 percent strikeout rate with his slider; with the Royals, it was just 2.6 percent. The strikeout rate on his fastball went from 22.4 percent to 15 percent.

    So teams will be watching a lot of video on Cueto besides checking those medical records. My guess is that American League teams will be more hesitant to sign him after his poor results with the Royals, so my five top potential destinations are all National League teams:

    1. SAN FRANCISCO GIANTS
    Buster Olney wrote in his blog today that six teams -- the Diamondbacks, Dodgers, Giants, Red Sox, Cardinals and Cubs -- are "prepared to spend significant money on a starter." And that assumes the Tigers are done after getting Zimmermann, which may not be the case (since they have a protected top-10 pick, they lose only a second-round pick for signing Zimmermann, which means signing Cueto would be mean forfeiting their third-round pick). With one of the top four starters now off the board, that leaves Cueto, Zack Greinke and David Price. While the Giants need an outfielder, it's more likely they spend big on a pitcher, and there's money in the budget with Tim Hudson and Tim Lincecum off the payroll. The rotation ranked seventh in the NL with a 3.95 ERA ... a mark that rose to 4.76 on the road. It simply wasn't a playoff-caliber rotation in 2015. With Hudson retired and Lincecum and Ryan Vogelsong free agents, that's 59 starts to replace just on a physical level, let alone a results level. The Giants haven't shied away from acquiring pitchers with physical issues in their background -- see Hudson and Jake Peavy -- and if they lose out on Greinke and Price, Cueto has the most upside of the remaining starters. On the other hand, considering Matt Cain's health issues after signing a big contract, the Giants may want to bet on a better health risk like Jeff Samardzija or Mike Leake.

    2. ARIZONA DIAMONDBACKS
    The feeling is the D-backs have the position player core to contend in 2016, but they need to add at least two starters to a rotation that posted a 4.37 ERA in 2015, 11th in the NL. Remember: The five NL playoff teams ranked one through five in rotation ERA. In 2014, the five playoff teams ranked Nos. 1, 2, 3, 5 and 9. In 2013, the five playoff teams ranked Nos. 1, 3, 4, 5 and 6. The road to the NL postseason starts with a strong rotation. So Cueto reportedly turned down $120 million. It doesn't mean the Diamondbacks won't raise that offer. With only Paul Goldschmidt and Yasmany Tomas signed past 2016 -- and Goldschmidt making relative pennies for an MVP-caliber player (he tops out at $14.5 million in 2019) -- the D-backs have lots of payroll flexibility to throw more cash Cueto's way.

    3. ST LOUIS CARDINALS
    With Lance Lynn undergoing Tommy John surgery and John Lackey a free agent, the Cardinals are looking for rotation depth. I don't see them spending the $200 million it will take to sign Price, and most still think Greinke ends up back with the Dodgers, so that should put Cueto on their radar, especially if they don't re-sign Lackey.

    4. LOS ANGELES DODGERS
    Cueto would be more of a backup option if Greinke signs elsewhere.

    5. WASHINGTON NATIONALS
    Olney didn't list the Nationals as a team looking to spend on pitching, but they surprised everyone with Max Scherzer last year, and with Zimmermann now officially gone and Stephen Strasburg a free agent after 2016, they could be the dark horse who swoops in and gives Cueto $140 million.​
     
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    I think Giants as well for Cueto
     
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    Wouldn't mind Cueto as a backup to Greinke/Price, seems like a good NL pitcher, AL not so much. Pitched really well in his 130 innings with the Reds last year and had a fantastic 2014.
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    Not related, but.........

    Jon Heyman ‏@JonHeymanCBS 2m2 minutes ago
    source says Pederson not involved in shelby miller talks. LA made clear rather consider trading from deep prospect stash.
     
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    he is coming back
    and so is his dad!
     
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    Interesting.
    Of course there's been a lot of talk about Freddie Freeman being dealt.
    Wonder if they're looking for a 1B prospect.
    Perhaps a hot, rising Bellinger [no homo]
     
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    If Cueto checks out 100% healthy sure
     
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    I thinking I read somewhere that they are looking for close to big league ready position players in deals for Freeman and/or Miller after acquiring so much high level pitching in the last year (Newcomb, Toussaint, Allard, Jenkins etc)
     
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    so ready for the winter meetings to begin already :waiting:
     
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    You think it will be 30,000 moves so that we get a middle of the road out fielder some decent prospects and pieces while paying the player salaries of 30 players so that they don't play for us.......like uh......last year?
     
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    i'm sure something interesting -- something none of of expected or anticipated -- will occur
    i just don't know if that's a good thing...
     
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    lol, good luck donnie :giggle:

    Marlins considering Bonds as hitting coach
    ESPN News Services — 10 minutes ago

    [​IMG] _"Wait, what?..."

    The Miami Marlins are having internal discussions about bringing all-time home run leader Barry Bonds on as a hitting coach this season, according to a media report.

    Bonds, who last played in the majors in 2007, has worked as a special instructor for the San Francisco Giants during spring training the past two seasons.

    Frank Menechino, who has been the Marlins hitting coach since 2014, is expected to return to the team, but the club is considering employing two hitting coaches to accommodate Bonds, CBSSports.com reports.

    Bonds is Major League Baseball's career home run leader with 762. He hit an MLB-record 73 home runs in 2001 and has a career batting average of .298 over 22 seasons with the Pittsburgh Pirates and Giants.​
     
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