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    fire sauce?
     
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    No Mames lol
     
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    One would assume so. Reports are sketchy but we know that at least two and less than ten representatives used the bathroom during the meeting. Others were visibly uncomfortable. Some were sweating. I can confirm that Dr. Pepper was present for these negotiations.
     
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    legitimate take or just a bitter boston douche?
    and yes... bitter boston douche is incredibly redundant

    The single biggest reason not to sign Mookie Betts long-term
    by John Tomase | NBC Sports Boston — 30 Jan 2020

    Whoever gives Mookie Betts a 10-year contract will pay him to be an all-time great.

    Tell me how many of those greats stand 5-foot-9.

    There is no questioning Betts' preeminence at this moment. The former MVP is one of the five best players in baseball, and when everything is clicking, he's the only human alive who can challenge Mike Trout for five-tool dominance.

    But anyone giving him 10 years and $300 million, like the Red Sox reportedly offered, or 12 years and $420 million, like Betts reportedly wants, must determine the likelihood that he'll remain productive well into his 30s.

    And if there's one number that should give everyone pause, it's the one he can't do anything about - his height.

    Undersized stars simply don't last, no matter how many MVP awards they win in their 20s. We laid this out recently, but it's worth examining in greater depth.

    Since integration in 1947, only seven players 5-9 or shorter have compiled 50 career WAR: Joe Morgan (100.6), Tim Raines (69.4), Pudge Rodriguez (68.7), Yogi Berra (59.3), Luis Aparicio (55.8), Dustin Pedroia (51.7), and Kirby Puckett (51.1). Betts (42.0) should join them sometime in early 2021.

    By comparison, 125 players 5-10 or taller have cracked the 50-WAR plateau in that time, from Barry Bonds (162.8) to Torii Hunter (50.1).

    Morgan, Raines, Rodriguez, and Pedroia each delivered their last standout offensive seasons at age 32, while Berra remained an All-Star into his late 30s. Aparicio was a remarkably below-average offensive player even in his prime - he reached the Hall of Fame with a lifetime OPS of .653 - and that leaves Puckett, who's the tragic best-case scenario.

    The Hall of Famer remained an offensive force through age 35 before a freak eye injury ended his career. He made his 10th straight All-Star team in his final season while batting .314 with 23 homers and 99 RBIs.

    Had he signed a 10-year deal at age 28, he would've been worth it. The others on this list, not so much.

    For proof, Red Sox fans need look no further than Pedroia, a gritty, gutsy, MVP-caliber sparkplug whose body simply couldn't take the pounding. The 5-foot-8 former All-Star signed an eight-year, $110 million extension in 2013 that runs through 2021.

    "If we're going to bet on someone at 37 or 38 years old, we're not sure there's a better guy to bet on," general manager Ben Cherington said the day the extension was announced, unaware that Pedroia would play his last effective game at 33. They'll likely have three hits in nine games to show for the final four years and $56 million of their investment.

    If there's a saving grace from a roster-building standpoint, it's that Pedroia only banked a relatively modest $14 million a year. He long ago earned every penny of his $110 million. However, betting on your guy to buck the trends when we're talking about $400 million is a very different gamble.

    Only three players Betts' size since 1980 have delivered a .900 OPS in at least 100 games after age 30 - Matt Stairs (twice), Lonnie Smith, and Puckett. Assuming Betts plays out this season and signs a long-term deal that starts in 2021 with his age-28 season, would you pay him $35 million annually into the next decade for an OPS that doesn't crack .900 after 2022?

    Consider how Betts generates his power. He relies on lightning-quick wrists, because he's never going to muscle his way out of the park like Albert Pujols or Miguel Cabrera or Adam Dunn. Virtually all of his homers are to the pull side, because he lacks the bulk to consistently launch them out the other way.

    What happens if he breaks a hamate, or tears a thumb ligament, or sprains his wrist? Both Pedroia and Nomar Garciaparra looked like they were on their way to Cooperstown before hand injuries robbed them of their reflexes at the plate. Neither one ever sniffed $35 million a year.

    Betts has earned the right to seek that rate, and someone will almost assuredly give it to him. Just don't be surprised when they end up with a case of buyer's remorse, because players his size simply aren't built to last.​
     
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    I’m hesitant about Betts, but shit it ain’t because of his height. What a bad take to disqualify someone based on height.
     
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    agreed
    dude doing his best to justify the loss
     
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    not fond of the facial hair and for a young guy his hairline is receding far too fast
     
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    LOL receding hairline is definitely a red flag :laff:



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    Anyone remember the last time the Dodgers gave up on a short not built to last player....... #tooshortpedro
     
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    ok so i had lost out on a major contract bid but the guy tossed me some seats down by the foul pole in 93
    Pedro had 11 wins or something that year and i asked him why he was in the bp
    he said "too skinny" lol and we talked for a minute
    he was just staring at my Sri Lankan wife and ended up signing a ball for my step daughter and telling her how beautiful she was (she was)
    got those same seats later in the season and had a moment w Roger McDowell
    that guy wore some serious stink
     
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    Andrew Fucking Jones
     
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    Pitchers are built differently. Bartolommeo Colon. Fat phi kappa still at it
     
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    Four potential Mookie Betts trade packages
    by Blake Harris | True Blue LA — 54 minutes ago

    It’s been a pretty uneventful offseason for the Dodgers through February 1. They struck out on the biggest names in the free-agent market, and the biggest splash they made was bringing back Alex Wood.

    By no means have they had a “bad” winter. In fact, I think the additions they made to the team are pretty good. However, they haven’t made the splash that fans have been craving.

    Now is their chance.

    All offseason. the Dodgers and Mookie Betts have been linked to one another. Betts has one year left on his contract before he hits free-agency, and it is unlikely the Red Sox bring him back for the long-term. As Boston desperately tries to get under the luxury-tax, a trade makes too much sense for them.

    Rumors have picked up in recent days, with both Ken Rosenthal and Andy McCullough reporting LA and Boston have been in contact. There’s no question both sides have mutual interest in completing a deal.

    The only question is, at what cost?

    Here are four potential trade packages that could put the 2018 A.L. MVP in Los Angeles.

    Trade package No. 1
    Dodgers receive: Mookie Betts
    Red Sox receive: Alex Verdugo, Keibert Ruiz, Mitchell White


    For the most part, I think we can expect Verdugo to be involved in whatever trade happens. He’s young, he’s a really good outfielder, and he has a very affordable and cheap contract for the next few years. If the Red Sox aren’t getting Gavin Lux or Dustin May in a package, I would think Verdugo would be their No. 1 asking price.

    The Red Sox also get one of the best catching prospects in the game with Ruiz, who has a chance to crack the big-league roster in 2020.

    Trade package No. 2
    Dodgers receive: Mookie Betts
    Red Sox receive: Joc Pederson, Keibert Ruiz, Tony Gonsolin, D.J. Peters


    If the Dodgers decide to throw Tony Gonsolin into the mix and add another prospect, it may give them the chance to hold onto Verdugo. Gonsolin showed he has big-league stuff now, and would be a great addition to either Boston’s starting rotation or their bullpen.

    Though Pederson is older than Verdugo, and only has one year remaining on his contract, he can fit nicely in Boston. He’s an experienced big-leaguer, who can immediately help the Sox in 2020. There’s no injury concern with him, so they’d be getting a guy who can give them 150 games. He’ll probably hit 30 homers, and be a great addition to their lineup. Plus, if Boston really wants to shed salary, he’s off the books in a year and you can clear even more space moving forward.

    Trade package No. 3
    Dodgers receive: Mookie Betts, David Price (all his contract)
    Red Sox receive: Joc Pederson, Keibert Ruiz, Edwin Uceta, Jacob Amaya


    Now is when we begin to take David Price into account. There’s been different rumors that say he’d be included in a deal, and there’s rumors that have said the Dodgers don’t want to take on any of his contract.

    He’s owed just under $100 million, and it’s unclear as to if LA would be willing to take on all that money, even if it means acquiring Betts. But, for the sake of this article, let’s say they do.

    I still think LA would send a big-league outfielder, but I couldn’t see it being Verdugo. You’d still probably have to part with Ruiz, or a prospect around the 3-6 range, but it shouldn’t cost any more of the top-tier guys. Or, let’s switch things up, and say Verdugo is included as opposed to Pederson. If that’s the case, take Ruiz out, and maybe add a Jeter Downs, or a prospect around that range.

    They’d be saving the Red Sox nearly $130 million. It shouldn’t deplete the Dodgers’ farm system too much for that kind of a deal.

    Trade package No. 4
    Dodgers receive: Mookie Betts, David Price (more than half his contract)
    Red Sox receive: Alex Verdugo, Keibert Ruiz, Edwin Rios, Mitchell White, Michael Grove


    What I think could be the most likely option, and that’s the Dodgers taking on most of Price’s contract. He’s owed nearly $100 million for crying out loud, I just can’t see the Dodgers being okay with taking on the entire thing.

    If the Red Sox bite, and chip in a good amount, it could help them land a better player or two, hence why Verdugo would be included. The Dodgers would be parting with a stud young outfielder and one of their higher prospects in Ruiz, but the rest of the haul would include prospects in the 10-20’s range.

    —————

    These are hypothetical trade scenarios. If a trade goes down, the Dodgers could be sending more than what I talked about, or it could be less. There’s a reason trade talks have slowed down, and I wouldn’t be shocked if both teams are constantly changing the price. Teams view prospects differently, much differently.

    It’s difficult when discussing a trade of this magnitude, there are a lot of obstacles to overcome. Overall, I think a trade happens. The deal makes too much sense for both sides. Boston sheds a ton of salary, and can pick up some solid minor-league and big-league talent. LA adds a top-three player to their lineup, and gets a starting pitcher who can fill in nicely as a No. 4 or No. 5 option.

    At this point, we’ll just have to wait and see.
     
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    I'd be curious to see the age factor when it comes to players 5'11 or taller. I bet it's the same ratio.

    It's not like he's a midget.
     
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    MOOKIE BETTS TRADE RUMORS
    Dodgers, Red Sox at odds over Price’s remaining salary
    by Matthew Moreno | Dodger Blue — 2 hours ago

    As what’s been a relatively quiet offseason winds to a close, the Los Angeles Dodgers reportedly remain engaged with the Boston Red Sox for a potential Mookie Betts trade. The San Diego Padres are said to be involved in talks with the Red Sox as well.

    Boston appears determined to get below the luxury tax threshold for the 2020 season, and thus have shopped Betts. Trade talks have also expanded to include David Price in certain scenarios.

    The 34-year-old has three years and $96 million remaining on his contract. Nathan Eovaldi has also been speculated as a possible high-priced player that would be packaged with Betts, who is due to become a free agent after the season.

    As the Dodgers and Red Sox reportedly work toward completing a Betts trade, the scenarios being discussed have included Price. However, the teams are in disagreement over how Price’s remaining salary would be split, according to ESPN’s Patrick Creighton:

    PCreight✔@PCreighton1
    Per sources: sticking point in #RedSox #Dodgers deal for Mookie Betts right now is how
    much of David Price’s deal (3/$96m) LA will absorb. Boston wants LA to take all of it. Dodgers
    haggling, trying to get Boston to pay a part. They believe two sides will get it worked out.

    8:51 PM - Jan 31, 2020

    It was previously reported the Red Sox were seeking elite prospects and a team that would take on most, if not all, of Price’s contract as part of a Betts trade. More recently, Boston was said to covet a Major League outfielder, which in terms of the Dodgers could be Alex Verdugo.

    In theory, if the Dodgers agreed to pay the bulk of Price’s contract, it would reduce the prospect capital included in the trade. L.A. certainly has the financial flexibility to make such a commitment.

    That presumably shouldn’t be much of a hurdle for the Dodgers considering they are believed to still be against possibly trading Gavin Lux or Dustin May.
     
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    I know....I know.
     
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    The Magic Loogie?
     
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    Ugh. Please DFA Price


    ... or have him clean urinals
     
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    Yeah, I am willing to bet that if the Dodgers are taking on a lot of Price's contract, then Pollock is going the other way.
     
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