asian pitchers you pick off from another team once the initial investment is out of the way they pay the post, bring them up, pay them huge monies, have them blow everyone away for a time, hitters adjust and the culture difference is too much and the pitcher struggles, thats when your gm comes in and picks them up at value price, takes him to asiatown and gets him coaches he understands, asian pitcher balances out into a very solid veteran who usually gives you a chance to win most times hes out there and rarely loses it for you like picking a QB in the first round of the NFL draft you let someone else do that and invest all that money/time/training/losing then a few years later you pick him off
I am hoping that Boras is just posturing. He cannot expect established major leaguer money for a guy that does not have the upside of Dice K or Darvish. For Darvish, I was all about spending the cash. I was also a firm proponent of Kuroda before he arrived. With that said, I am very leery of Ryu. The posting price was high but not insane when you figure that you can sign him for a nice length. However, we should be talking 6 to 8 mil per tops. If Ned were smart he would offer the following: 8, 7, 7, 9 with team option, 9 with team option. 5/40 total. We may eat shit for 3 years but not break the bank shit. Hell, that is what Uribe's useless ass is eating. At best, we get a nice number 2 or 3 far below market. Otherwise, we get a 4 or 5 lefty for market value. If he shows signs of greatness, you simply take the options. He could even add in incentives to every year if Boras is being Boras.
This might have been the most baseless generalization I've ever read, FWIW. People don't make broad general statements about all white players, or black players, why does everyone feel the need to compare asian pitchers against one another? I'm not sure.
Because there hasn't been one that's blown anyone away. A few have had some good years, but I wouldn't call a career ERA over 4 (Nomo, Park) anything to write home about. Like I said before, Kuroda has probably been the most consistent Asian pitcher and it's not like he's anything to go "wow" over.
Well, probably because most white and black players are brought up in the United States, and these Asian players are not Asian American. They are imports, all coming from a whole other world basically, not to mention against different competition, among other things. It is easier to make a generalization about a smaller demographic who tend to have the same trends, as they face the same obstacles and come from the same background.
and people do make similar comparisons when talking about other cultures say, dominican players being free swingers the old "can't walk off the island" saying
Asian players are probably brought up a lot differently; highly, strictly educated and prepared for life outside of baseball as priority number 1. Then they play years in their respective pro leagues. Latin players, especially Dominican players often grow up in poverty, and baseball is their ticket out. Their adjustment is likely less dramatic. Asian players have more options at their disposal, and know it. A lot of Latin players are in the "I know I can play. I HAVE to. For myself and my family".
hey im not racist, i can make broad general statements about players of any race at the very least im an equal opportunity racist
not sure if this was posted elsewhere... Boras ready to talk terms for Ryu By Ken Gurnick / MLB.com | 11/15/12 9:21 PM ET The Dodgers have thirty days to negotiate a contract with star Korean pitcher Ryu Hyun-jin after posting the winning bid NEWPORT BEACH, Calif. -- Agent Scott Boras kept the rhetoric to a minimum on Thursday as he introduced Korean pitcher Ryu Hyun-jin, but he dropped enough hints that the Dodgers know their $25.7 million posting bid for exclusive negotiation rights is just the start. Boras said that he and general manager Ned Colletti have a face-to-face meeting set for next week, during which they'll talk terms for the 25-year-old lefty, whom Boras compared with Japanese imports Daisuke Matsuzaka and Yu Darvish, a pitcher who can step into a major role on a contending team immediately. "He can jump in and be a third starter on a championship-caliber Major League team," said Boras. "He comes with a great pedigree. This is a rare opportunity." The bid for Ryu, $25,737,737.33, ranks third among posting bids submitted for Asian players, behind $51.7 million for Darvish and $51.1 million for Matsuzaka. Boras said that the winning bid -- which goes to the Hanwha Eagles only if the Dodgers sign Ryu -- was significantly less than the bids needed to win the rights to Matsuzaka and Darvish because the visibility for Korean pitchers is less than that for Japanese pitchers. "Had he pitched in Japan, his posting fee would be in accord with the dominant Japanese pitchers," Boras said. Boras wouldn't reveal an asking price, but Matsuzaka received $52 million for six years from Boston and Darvish was given $56 million for six years from Texas. "As a player I want to get as much value for myself," said Ryu. "I feel the Dodgers are a good team, and I hope the Dodgers treat [me] well." The way the Dodgers are spending lately, they'll likely treat Ryu very well. Club president Stan Kasten pointed out this week that the Dodgers have until Dec. 10, after the Winter Meetings, to sign Ryu or lose him to Korea. Whether or not it's posturing, Kasten's comment implies that the Dodgers could sign Hiroki Kuroda and/or another free-agent pitcher instead, although Boras essentially rejected any conspiracy theories. "They won the rights, and what they do with it is up to them," Boras said. "I don't think in any way they entered the process with any motive other than to get better. The current ownership has taken steps that illustrate an attempt to improve at every level -- Draft, trade, free agent and, in this case, internationally." After speaking dismissively of the Dodgers in recent years because of their frugal ways, Boras acknowledges the new ownership. "By their conduct the Dodgers intend to be one of the Goliaths, if not the leading Goliath of the game," he said. "It's a very different world than it was the previous era." Ryu spoke through an interpreter at a news conference held in the lobby of Boras' office, a gathering that was attended by about 40 members of the media, most of them Korean. Several times he cited the vibrant Korean community in Los Angeles and the influence of Chan Ho Park, signed by the Dodgers in 1994 and the first Korean Major Leaguer. "Chan Ho was very influential to me and very helpful, and [giving] me insight into playing in the Major Leagues and giving me the dream to play in the Major Leagues," he said. "As a baseball alumni, he's teaching me the ropes." In 2006, Ryu was the first player to win MVP and Rookie of the Year honors in the same season in Korea, going 18-6. He averaged 15 wins a season until this season, when the Eagles finished last and he had only nine wins and a 2.66 ERA, striking out 210 over 182 2/3 innings. He has a 2.80 ERA over his seven-year career in Korea. The 6-foot-2, 230-pound Ryu is a strikeout pitcher with a fastball in the low 90s, as well as a changeup and slider. He helped Korea reach the finals of the 2009 World Baseball Classic and win the gold medal in the 2008 Olympic Games. Ryu -- whose body was compared by Boras with that of Mark Buehrle -- sets preseason goals and, while declining to give a specific number, said he's looking for "double digits" in victories his rookie season. He will wear No. 99, made popular by Manny Ramirez. "Obviously, there's pressure in all of baseball," said Ryu, who has a brother living in New Jersey. "From my experience in Korea, I have no doubt I can succeed in the U.S. American players are bigger. If I think of the way I pitched at Daejeon Stadium, nothing is different about baseball."
People say "Oh since Dice-K and Irabu didn't work out, why will this guy?" Umm, maybe because they're different human beings? Just because one asian players skill set didn't translate doesn't mean every one of them won't. That's like if I said "Greg Reynolds didn't work out so why will Stephen Strasburg?"
