DODGERS The Neverending PUIG Thread

Discussion in 'Los Angeles DODGERS' started by irish, Jul 11, 2016.

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Dodgers should...

  1. Trade Puig to anyone who will take him regardless of the return

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  2. Trade Puig for top prospects

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  3. Trade Puig, but only for MLB ready talent in return

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  4. Do not Puig under any circumstances

    31.3%
  5. Keep Puig, and reacquire Kemp (Rube's choice)

    18.8%
  1. Bluezoo

    Bluezoo Among the Pantheon

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    I guess I'm the only one who feels the see saw statements about Puig from the FO are ridiculous and sophmoric ?
    Want, don't want...back and forth, like Faye Dunaway in "Chinatown".
    They need a smack in the mouth like Jake gave Evelyn Mulray in the film...
    Only harder, the assholes.
     
  2. rube

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    You just explained my delusional support perfectly.
    The cries of 'move puig at all costs' were ridiculously extreme.
    What would be the natural and obvious response from me in such situations?
    I am easy to goad. Just do shit that is extremely to one side and i will respond.
    If it would have been Joc that people were being ridiculously extreme about I would be responding in kind.
    And I have like when Blue called him a disrespectful punk or something of that effect for putting his feet up during an interview.
    I almost always take the opposite point of view as someone making ridiculously extreme negative points. How this continues to surprise yall is funny to me. Ive always been this way. Not just with athletes but with posters on here and PSD and in my personal life.

    Things are so backwards with Puig that you say his issues are on the field while Irish goes hard on the "its not about his issues on the field" angle.
    And I agree that he should have been sent down early when he wasnt doing very well.
    Not when he was doing well.
    But there may be matters we arent privy to.
     
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  3. BlueMouse

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    First off, I think we can both agree that irish couldn't find his way out of a paper bag, so we should dismiss anything he says. I disagree that Puig was playing well. The numbers over his last two months added up fine, but he didn't look the part when watching him. He was off. And the ceiling is so much higher with him. We replaced him with Josh Reddick and didn't miss a beat - that's a problem. The off the field stuff, whatever... maybe it was an issue for the FO, maybe it wasn't. I don't know. That was all media fluff, saying "ONOZ the Dodgers need to trade him" while getting ready to give a handy to whoever we traded him to. He's a kid, and every off the field issue appears to be kid related.

    I want the 2013 Puig, and that's what we should all want. We had an average outfielder getting by.
     
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  4. irish

    irish DSP Staff Member Administrator

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    His numbers the past two months were fine. But yeah he didnt look perfect. Something was still not right.
    Look at the other RF with cannon arms and how they get away with low production at the plate. What Puig was giving was a good 75% of 'good' Puig. With his arm and ability to cover the field that was good enough.
    Its good enough for many other teams. Everytime there is a new story about Puig the fans from other teams usually say they would love to have his production even with its ups and downs and his personality quirks,
     
  7. CapnTreee

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    ROFLOL


    Oh I agreed with other points too, Puig DOES invite polarization, little of it rational, and also agree that his attitude of disregard for the team was ruined by his exposure to asshat slacker Kemp and that the single best reason for sending him down to the minors is that daily bus rides are NOT the glamour he imagines for himself

    Which MAY actually sink into his head

    "MAY"



    But that opening line was AWESOME !!
     
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  8. CapnTreee

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    I actually came to this thread to comment, yet again that Puig is a generational talent IF AND ONLY IF he cleans his act up



    And then I thought that, after watching another Angels game .. I would trade EVERY Dodgers outfielder, including Puig , to obtain Mike Trout

    That guy is 100% stud.... TODAY

    3 for 4 tonight with 4 RBI's
    Hitting .325 with a .425 OBP
    24 homers with 80 RBI's
    Hitting .593 on first pitches he swings at

    Give ole Arte anyone or everyone and steal Trout from under his nose

    Then promote/locate corner OF's again

    Come out ahead.
     
  9. THINKBLUE

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    If you want Trout, the conversation starts with Seager. And that's not gonna happen.
     
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  10. CapnTreee

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    Nope

    We're talking outfielders ONLY

    NO IF's, no pitchers

    Just outfielders
     
  11. rube

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    Nobody will trade trout
     
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  12. CapnTreee

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    Don't overlook that Arte is an idiot

    He bought and then gave back Josh Hamilton.. for spite

    If he thought that he could upgrade multiple positions then just mebbe
     
  13. rube

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    Nobody is trading mickey mantle.
     
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    Joc
    Trayce
    Puig
    Urias
    DeLeon
    Bellinger

    For Trout.
    Good luck.
     
  15. irish

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    angels would laugh at that proposal
     
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    Didn' t call the kid a punk...disrespectful yes, as it came as a great surprise to me that he would even think to do that.
    I had made posts complimenting his parents when we first got him. It's bad manners to do that, I wasn't the only one who mentioned it either.
    I was brought up that there is no excuse for bad manners.That matters, imo.
    If you feel it doesn't, then fine.
    It does seem you are prone to extremes, just like everyone else here is. Yup.
    And to leap to be someone's champion, just because someone else has negatively viewed them, is extreme in itself.
     
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    He is a rat faced punk though.
    Look at his face.
    But I'm still a fan.
     
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    Must be a fat rat, then. He made pretty good contact on that last AB against Moore though. The shot that Span miraculously caught.
    Maybe he should play more against LHP . Gotta be a better option then Kike or Culbertson, no?
     
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  19. CapnTreee

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    Are there really worse options than these two career minor leaguers ? Neither deserves a spot on the current 25 man roster
     
  20. irish

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    What really happened with the Dodgers and Yasiel Puig?
    by Howard Cole | Forbes — 5 hours ago

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    What really happened between the Dodgers and Yasiel Puig? We’re all curious, we don’t like to wait for reports to trickle out, and it’s nearly impossible to imagine the club actually coming clean about the damn thing.

    Yasiel Puig hits a two-run home run, May 20, 2016, San Diego. (Photo by Denis Poroy/Getty Images)

    Yes, Los Angeles has reason to be cryptic about their deposed right fielder. They want to put the player’s best cleat forward in hopes of making the best trade possible, which is why that crap story fed to Ken Rosenthal about Puig storming off was so curious. Why put out the bad stuff, especially the fake bad stuff, when you’re hoping to deal the man? Generally, the tight-lipped approach makes sense, however.

    So why is Puig in Oklahoma City? What really happened? It can’t be because of the occasional missed cutoff man, can it? Because if that’s the case, there wouldn’t be an outfielder on the big league roster.

    Because surely someone would’ve said: “Hey Kendrick, there’s a one-way ticket to the Pacific Coast League in your locker. GTFO, man.”

    I’m pretty sure Puig didn’t smack somebody silly over a shoe deal, I’m confident he didn’t steal the shortstop’s glove, and I’m almost certain he wasn’t caught in the shower with an intern, which I understand was a thing in another decade (only my closest personal friends will get the dope on that story).

    But a bunch of other stuff did occur. Since I’ve defended Puig in this space and on social media a ton, I believe I’ve earned a little Carte Blanche on the matter. And I’ve been an employer.

    Look, while the narrative out of Chavez Ravine has included both fiction and spin, this much is clear: Puig bugged his bosses and his mates on a regular basis, and over a period of time. OK? He just did. There was an obnoxiousness factor. He was causing more eye rolling and thrown-up hands than was either appropriate or tolerable.
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    He stood out in the workplace not for the example he set as an employee, but for the way in which he didn’t. There was no conspiracy in play and it had little-to-nothing to do with baseball.

    There’s an axiom in labor circles that goes something like this: The degree to which an employer will go to lengths to defend a firing is proportional to the amount of annoyance caused by the employee. The time, effort (and in real-world situations, money) is worth the fight to be rid of the individual. To those employers actual principle is involved.

    And in this case, the employee was a problem. Not once in a while. Regularly. He just didn’t get it.

    That’s not to say that he’s irredeemable – and Puig wasn’t “fired,” remember — but the benefits of his presence on the squad simply were outweighed by the drawbacks.

    As for specifics — and with three-plus weeks to reflect on the L.A. Times report — I believe Andy McCullough’s August 2 article to be the closest to spot-on of what’s been published. It doesn’t include dates or the number of instances, but if the club said Puig “sometimes showed up late to meetings,” you’re safe in assuming that the use of the plural translates to several.

    If the club told a reporter that Puig “displayed only intermittent interest in the work necessary to avoid injury,” they considered it a big deal, and something out of the ordinary for a professional athlete. And it is. In the half century that I’ve been following the game and the team, I’ve never read a statement about a player like the one above. It doesn’t serve the Dodgers to manufacture the point.

    “Last to arrive, first to leave” is my suggestion, but we’ve heard these things before, going back to the Mattingly Administration, and it’s likely a fitting description now. Yasiel Puig gave L.A. reason to demote him, so they demoted him.

    But it was demotion; not a trade, not a DFA. He could be back at any time. If Josh Reddick is hitting .120 as a Dodger on September 1, and some left-hander other Matt Moore comes within three feet of a no-hitter against them in the meantime, maybe just maybe we’ll see Puig get another chance.

    If not, that means he was even more of a pain in the ass than we’ve been led to believe. Or maybe he was caught in the shower with an intern. And during a drought, at that.

    And remember, glove conquers all.
     

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