DODGERS: Offseason Thread

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  1. rube

    rube DSP Legend Staff Member Administrator

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    but then all the people who complain about the size of government will bitch the issue to smithereens like it did in the past
    and no way this gets built with only private funds

    of course the revenue generated by all of this should make the cost of building these extra systems for transport and parking something that looks more like an investment than a loss
    besides, the very fact that this will improve traffic a ton in some of our busiest freeways during some of our busiest driving times probably has its own magical monetary number
    and i would imagine it might even be worth it if it was just that
    imagine if they then go ahead and put the football stadium in downown LA?
    imagine all that extra traffic already on top what we have
    you know that stadium wont be used just for football games once a week
    that thing is going to be squeezed for all its worth just like staples is in terms of bookings
    parking and traffic nightmares will only get worse
    and then we have the new Dodger owner seeing all the cash being made in downtown and decides to build a stadium for the Dodgers down there too since the land at chavez ravine could be better used to build homes for the rich as monetary depressions dont actually affect their bottom line of the people who cause them, those people are the ones who get to reap the benefits of recessions and depressions they cause
    they get to buy up their favorite teams

    just for fun... how was the economy when McCourt bought the team?
    pretty good
    yet McCourt is as best we could do?
    buying the team for no money down and at a discount
    if the economy was so good why werent teams being sold for crazy amounts of money like they are now?
    sure the dollar is not worth as much, but that does not explain, not even close
    now when the nation and the world is on the verge of the worst depression than this time 100 years ago (if we think this timing is a coincidence then we should dig holes in the sand and stick our heads in them, our financial system was stolen exactly 99 years ago...) and there are people out there who cant wait to outbid each other in order to see who can shell out the most money for a franchise that has been the worst run in decades
    i know others find this odd too
    but its not mentioned

    i have no illusions as to what the next turd that bud selig shines up to sit in the owners box at dodgers stadium
    its most likely going to be one of these investment vultures that only care about squeezing as much blood out of their asset

    they turned america into an asset
    and assets are bought and sold every day
    dodgers have naturally been an asset, but as fans we believe that there is something more
    and with the dodgers you kinda still felt that
    but is that gone to never come back?
    probably
    those times have changed
    you cant have that when everything is an asset
    or else you are seen as a chump, or worse

    you think these perspective owners arent going to do the same things to the Dodgers that Frank hasnt already done?
    if anything they might simply be better at public relations
    but then so was Frank until he caught his wife fucking her driver and he lost his shit and drove the dodgers name deeper into the mud

    a slave is someone who works not for himself but to enrichen the coffers of his betters
    because a slave believes he has betters
    if he didnt then he wouldnt be a slave
    there are many words for slave, most dont involve people being forced to labor at the point of a whip
    thats just one kind of slavery

    remember the boycott all of you had this past summer?
    the one i cautioned against because of unforeseen circumstances and all?
    yeah... well if you guys are done with it ill go ahead and pick it up

    i dont plan to ever spend one cent of my money to enrich these assholes
    if that means i never go to a dodger game, or buy another dodger jersey... fine
    maybe ill get the knock offs instead
    same with the lakers and any other team/sport i like
    i even cancelled my cable subscription a few months ago, watching games on regular TV or on the internet even if it looks shitty

    but these parasites arent having any more of my sweat
     
  2. TuborgP

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    Rube, folks need to realize that the nature of our economy has changed. We have gone from Land, Labor and Capital to Land, Labor, Capital and Management. We have since added intellectual property to the list of the means of production. Within that concept of intellectual property is not just the skills of the mind but also the skills of finance. Within the job skill set of finance is the all important ability to make money from someone elses money. In order to do that you have to convince people to give or let you use their money. The reason the stock market has a challenged future is that many mom and pops are no longer willing to allow mutual funds and other vehicles to use their money to make money with. The boycott whether we agree with it or not was born of the sentiment of individuals to no longer allow the Dodgers to use their money to make money. The future of the franchise is linked to finding the right owner who once again will be blessed with dollars from Dodger fans. Without that the franchise will be a financial bust! Yes there will be tax advantages and revenue sharing advantages as previously linked but those are based on the owners being able to keep more of the money coming in. The first necessary thing will be the money flow coming back in at even higher levels. That as you know means putting a product on the field that rocks and speaks volumes about wealth and committment to the highest quality product. No more mirrors as this fan based has seen that not only does the emporor have no clothes but that the owner had no scruples.

    The Yankees have learned the lesson and the luxury tax is just part of the cost of doing business. LA needs a draw to bring the wealth of the West Coast their as a hub/Gateway to Asia. That is the future of the Dodgers, luxury box seats and suites and a place for business to be conducted by the West Coast elite while being entertained on and off the field by the likes of Kemp, Kershaw and others so fortunate to have been signed by those willing to them millions to reap the rewards of being able to market and show them off. We can become the mecca for Asian players wanting to play in the states. Expect the new owner to have broadcast rights over seas and to be able to market American players their simultaneus with them actually being on the field here. It takes money to make money and it appears we have the big boys willing to make the Dodgers part of their marketing prowness.
     
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    Fucking THIS^. McCourt and Nedco were not bright. Yes, McCourt has learned to use the litigation process to his own benefit but overall his business acumen sucks. He has not been impressive in using resources at his disposal to his advantage. The Dodgers, for all of their faults, had the corner on the Asian market. When we grabbed Saito and Kuroda, we were headed in the right direction. I think both came because of the Dodgers name. However, management failed to continually use this "name" to their advantage. There have been more than a few Asian players who probably would have enjoyed playing for us in the last seven. Darvish should currently be a Dodger. Imagine having a market as a farm team. Imagine being able to pick the premier players from a whole people group. Imagine being able to impact how those players are instructed and groomed.
     
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    Frank had a fatal flaw. He had no money after he borrowed to buy the team. He had to use team revenues to support his lifestyle as he had little on his own. For awhile back a few years ago he had some convinced he was no longer in debt because he paid the Fox loans off. Trying to tell them he had borrowed more money to pay off those loans was futile. They fell for the illusion that we had an owner who was not in debt and could afford the McCourt lifestyle and a major market franchise with high expectations. He couldn't. It was an illusion!
     
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    he didn't have to
    he chose to
     
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    Anyone see this from MLBTR

     
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    yup
    it's posted on the prior page and also in the ownership thread
    but it comes from espn's jayson stark
    one of the bigger douches there
    and that's saying a lot
     
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    yes and I get a chubby every time I re-read it
     
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    You are missing my point he had no other source of income worth a hill of beans. It was inevitable. Didn't have to be as lavish but what other source of income did they have? Should have never been allowed to buy what he couldn't afford. Whats good about some of the possible buyers this time around is they are filthy rich and don't need team revenues to live off of. They can get their take when they sell the team down the road.
     
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    didn't miss your point at all bro
    i agree he shouldn't have been allowed to buy the team -- but that's on selig, not him
    however, he and his wife did have enough to buy six houses in malibu -- including one used exclusively for dirty laundry (no pun)
    again, he (and jamie) chose to live above their means
     
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    Which raises an interesting question. How rich should you have to be to own a MLB team? Cohen if I remember right owns 700 million in art work which is more than the value of most MLB franchises. Some of the others are wealthy but when you hear names like Dennis Gilbert etc just how wealthy are they and their partners? We probably want someone who comfortably will still be filthy rich after buying the team and has multiple sources of revenue not connected with the franchise.
     
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    i think that even with all of mccourts mistakes and misgivings that he might have turned things around if not for his wifes lifestyle, her cheating, the divorce, and everything that came after
    all of the baseball related mistakes were not anything that he could not turn around
    im glad hes on the way out, but if there was no jamie i think the situation with the Dodgers would be much much better these past years
     
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    i like cohen
    forbes rated his net worth at >$8 billion
    a little wary of gilbert...
    no reason, just a gut feeling
     
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    i think he would have been better
    but ultimately would have fucked things up
    he's a huckster, a charlatan
    always has been
    always will be
     
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    i agree. He was a good candidate 6 months ago before the really big boys jumped in. If Bud could select Gilbert might be a front runner. Not sure about now.
     
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    Yup, the divorce exposed things what would not have come out for a couple of years but it was inevitable as the only long term outcome was eventually going to be selling the team.
     
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    A surprising number of baseball executives think that the Dodgers will ultimately be in play for Prince Fielder, tweets Joel Sherman of the New York Post.
     
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    What makes me mad is if we were "in play", we might wanna meet with the guy.
     
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    What they might be waiting for is for the list of bidders to be trimmed down, and then find out how much extra the final 8 or 10 are willing to pay if they sign him.
     
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