GAME THREAD ASTROS/DODGERS World Series

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    11 to 1 what a fucking assbeating.... on to the Wang Yankers!
     
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    probably prefer the yankees over the astros
    but the astros pen is meh, while the yankees' is quite good
    but the way all our guys are hitting hopefully it's moot
    just stoked to finally get there (here) again... but won't be completely satisfied until we win it all
     
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    I wanna see...

    vs righties
    SS: Taylor
    RF: Puig
    3B: Turner
    CF: Bellinger
    1B: Seager
    C : Barnes
    LF: Ethier
    2B: Kike

    vs lefties
    CF: Taylor
    3B: Turner
    LF: Bellinger
    2B: Kike
    1B: Seager
    C : Barnes
    RF: Puig
    SS: Charlie

    vs righties w/DH
    SS: Taylor
    RF: Puig
    3B: Turner
    1B: Bellinger
    DH: Seager
    2B: Barnes
    LF: Ethier
    CF: Kike
    C : Grandal

    vs lefties w/DH
    CF: Taylor
    3B: Turner
    1B: Bellinger
    LF: Kike
    DH: Seager
    C : Barnes
    RF: Puig
    SS: Charlie
    2B: Logan

    Reserves: Utley, Granderson, Joc, Farmer (Grandal, Logan, Charlie, Ethier are spot starters/platoon)
    Bullpen is Kenley, Wood, Kenta, Cingrani, Morrow, Watson, Fields, Stripling
    Starters: Kershaw, Hill, Darvish

    Go to a 3 man rotation in the World Series. Our starters are well rested.
    If we are up by then you can use either Kenta or Wood as the 4th starter on Sat.
    But if we are not up in the series by game 4 we need to use Kershaw on short rest and start the rotation over and try to finish them or use Wood or Maeda in game 5 on Sunday to give Hill and Darvish the chance to rest in order to be fresh for game 6 and 7. Kershaw can always then be used in game 7 as a relief pitcher if it goes deep and we have used up Kenley since by then it will be Wednesday and he should have enough rest to pitch some relief and add to his legacy.
    The bullpen will have enough firepower being that if needed the starters not pitching anymore in the series can come in and get one or two key guys out in the last games.

    As far as hitting is concerned you limit the damage the old guys can do by making them strictly pinch hitters late in games for pitchers.
    Very little on the field for them. They have been so bad that at this point they are only better hitters than pitchers so that is the only time they will probably play. Talking bout Utley and Grandal mostly. Joc is in the group as well as Farmer who is there for emergencies.
    Barnes gets promoted to full time. Kike does as well. Charlie gets to stay on for defensive purposes as part of the part time squad with Logan, Ethier and Grandal.
    Puig is promoted to #2 for his disruptiveness on the basepaths and his ability to take pitches and get on base.
    Seager drops to #5 to put less pressure on him to perform as he comes back. He also moves to 1B and DH for now so he doesnt have to field SS.

    IMO this is the best of all worlds.
     
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    Who should the Dodgers want to face in the World Series?
    by Bradford Doolittle | ESPN Staff Writer — 3 hours ago
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    CHICAGO -- The Los Angeles Dodgers seem to be on board with our content plan at ESPN, because just as they did during the National League Division Series against Arizona, they made such quick work of the Chicago Cubs that it gives us plenty of time to sit back and ponder which opponent L.A. should want to see in the next round, the World Series.

    Since home-field advantage in the Fall Classic is now determined by overall record, the Dodgers hold that advantage no matter who they play. Beyond that, the choice between the Astros and Yankees is a tough call because the two AL combatants present very different sets of challenges for the Dodgers.

    Let’s dig in.

    Three reasons to root for the Astros

    1. Bullpens.
    The Yankees’ bullpen is the most vicious in the game right now. While their rotation also has been razor-sharp this October, even if a starter does falter, the Yankees can line up five high-velocity effective relievers in a row, or go even longer than that if needed. That puts an enormous amount of pressure on the opposition to build an early lead.

    The Dodgers’ bullpen has been near perfect in this postseason, and if they face the Yankees, the best they can hope for is to negate the advantage New York enjoys in this area against most teams. However, the Astros’ bullpen has struggled during the postseason, and in an L.A.-Houston matchup, the Dodgers would enjoy a decided edge.

    2. Velocity. Aroldis Chapman. Dellin Betances. Tommy Kahnle. Luis Severino. Chad Green. You know the names. No one, and we mean no one, has as many fireballers as the Yankees. According to TruMedia, during the regular season, New York pitchers threw 2,587 pitches clocked at 97 mph or higher. That led the majors by 892 pitches. The gap between the first-place Yankees and second-place Reds was greater than the total number of 97-plus pitches of 18 teams.

    There isn’t a direct relationship between velocity and results, however. Velocity helps in the aggregate, but at the level of each individual pitcher, there are other elements to retiring a hitter that come into play. However, if we look at just the velocity component, facing that array of fireballers could prove to be a tough task for the Dodgers’ lineup. Check it out:
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    Ouch. The Dodgers had three players with what could be looked at as good results against elite velocity, though the sample sizes are small. Chris Taylor went 6-for-16 against the hard stuff, Enrique Hernandez was 3-for-9 (presumably against lefties) and Curtis Granderson reached base in five of 10 plate appearances. Meanwhile, Yasiel Puig and Joc Pederson saw a combined 129 pitches clocked at 97 mph or higher. Together, they had zero hits on those offerings.

    Small samples? Sure. But the Astros ranked just 13th in elite-velocity pitches (by our definition here), so why take the chance? Also, you may have noticed this already, but when you look at the names of those pitchers throwing that hard, that’s the spine of the Yankees’ bullpen, so that ties back in to reason No. 1.

    Of course, the Astros’ numbers here don’t include a full season from the guy listed at No. 2 down below.

    3. NL West nostalgia. Going with soft factors at No. 3 in both lists because it feels like the main topics are covered elsewhere. The Astros and Dodgers had a long, one-sided rivalry in the NL West, which favored the Dodgers, before the Astros were switched to the NL Central when the wild-card era dawned. Houston and Los Angeles met in a tiebreaker after the end of the 1980 season (won by the Astros), then hooked up again the next year in 1981, the strike year with a split season that resulted in the first-ever set of league division series (the NL one won by the Dodgers). So in a sense, these teams have never met in a postseason series that was really supposed to happen.

    Three reasons to root for the Yankees

    1. Lineup holes.
    This isn’t a slam on the Yankees necessarily, but the Astros not only don’t have any real holes in their lineup, they don’t have any glaring holes in any particular category. No team combines the three macro-level traits you look for at the level Houston does -- contact, power and patience. On top of that, they are athletic and effective on the basepaths. It’s a complete offensive group, which is why the Astros’ OPS+ this season (127) dwarfed that of the second-place Yankees and Twins (105).

    On top of that, the Astros led the majors in OPS against righties (.827), far ahead of the second-place Yankees (.795). But whereas the Astros also ranked third against lefties (.814), the Yankees were just 12th. The Astros also were better on pitches in the upper third of the strike zone, leading the majors with an OPS of .847. The Yankees were good too, ranking fifth at .804. But the difference matters because L.A. likes to attack that upper part of the zone. The Dodgers’ pitching staff led the majors by allowing just a .628 OPS on those upper-third offerings.

    2. Justin Verlander. It used to be a thing that you’d fear a hot starting pitcher in a short series. Now you fear hot bullpens, which the Yankees certainly have. However, Verlander is a throwback in this disappearing trait, having thrown a complete-game, 13-strikeout masterpiece at the Yankees. The only question is how often the Astros will get to throw Verlander given their need for him to help carry Houston past the Yankees.

    3. For Vin. Vin Scully is a year into his retirement, yet there would be something really nostalgic for all baseball history nerds in the first Yankees-Dodgers World Series since 1981. Even if Scully isn’t at the mic, you can still imagine him saying, “Welcome to Dodger Stadium for Game 1 of the 2017 World Series between the Yankees and Dodgers.”

    The Verdict

    In the end, the Dodgers should want to see the Astros. New York is a hot team, with a dynamic bullpen and the ability to win a game with one big blast supplied by any one of their power hitters. The Astros are the more complete team, with an offense that is balanced, deep and versatile. That makes it that much tougher to match up against them in the middle innings.

    It’s also an offense that suddenly has stopped scoring runs against a red-hot New York pitching staff. Plus, the Houston bullpen has been enigmatic even if it remains a group with a solid recent track record.

    Finally, the bottom line: The Astros won more games than the Yankees during the regular season, but it was New York that had the better run differential.
     
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    Any chance of acquiring Villar before the Series? I think there's a fit somewhere.
     
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    I'm a little scared of Verlander and Keuchel, but also of Robertson and Chapman. Also the Yankees lineup definitely has more holes, but they also seem more likely to have bullshit go their way and win it all. Idk I don't think I have a strong preference.
     
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    3rd meeting with TBD this postseason.


    First two went well
     
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    So Seager has never played 1B in his professional career, not with the Dodgers not in the minors, but you want to throw him at 1B in the WS? Meanwhile Bellinger is making plays that hurt AGonz's back just from watching, and you want to throw him into the OF?
     
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    People are making crazy ass lineups and throwing players out of position for the LOLz
     
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    The lineup obviously hinges on Seager's health but if he can play I'd DH Ethier vs RHP with Kiké in LF and DH Seager vs LHP and start Charlie at SS
     
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    Nostalgia has me wishing for the Yankees, but with their bullpen, I think the better matchup is with the Astros. With our batters taking everyone deep into counts, we can get to their bullpen and then it is lights out
     
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    right now i want the spankees but in a couple of minutes i want the stros
    can't wait
     
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    That NYY bullpen obviously has the talent, but they don't consistently put it together..almost the same can be said of their starting staff, but it's less talented.
    Give me NYY, their lineup that has more holes in it and inconsistent pitching..almost seems as if they're a wild card team..
    That said, bring'em both on..LAD's the most complete unit.
     
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    There has to always be one WTF moment in my posts.
    There is a rule somewhere in the DSP archives.
    Maybe we need a young Skywalker to search the archives and find it.
    Before all of the serious rules there must always be one rule above all.
    And that is that there has to always be at least 1 piss take hidden somewhere in the text.
    Sure some may say hey Rube you just mistaken, but I say nay, that was a pisstake in which you gracefully have partaken.
     
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    Fuck it. I don’t care who we meet. It seems we have a team that can take on either of the two potential AL champions.

    If you want to be the best, you have to beat the best. And by definition, it’s whatever pukes come out of the ALCS.
     
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    Both teams have holes that can be exploited, but both teams also have strengths that could make easy work for us. I tend to lean towards the Yankees as they are yet to deal with pitching like we have, though of the two teams, they have feasted most on our starters. Small sample sizes and the fact that these AB's all took place before the latter 3 were Dodgers. Either way, the Dodgers have their work cut out for them. They have been INCREDIBLY fortunate to catch 2 teams whose pitching was completely out of whack entering the series and right now, the only way for that to happen is a Game 7 Astros win that causes them to use Keuchel out of the pen to save the day. If that happens, then the Dodgers would once again be in fortuitous circumstances entering a series. The Astros pen is a mess right now and could make for the best path to a World Series victory.
    Kersh (Yanks OPS) .524, 181 PA's/(Astros OPS) .620, 111 PA's
    Hill (Most damage by Ellsbury & Holliday) .880 OPS, 42 PA's/ .691 OPS, 57 PA's
    Darvish (Gardner 6 for 14 4 HR's!) .875 OPS, 59 PA's/ .557 OPS, 171 PA's
    Wood .935, 22 PA's/ .167, 12 PA's
     
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