Discussion in 'Los Angeles DODGERS' started by CapnTreee, Aug 12, 2016.
That's not how this works.
That's not how any of this works.
Think about how insurance works.
Rates are high if you are a risk.
And you'll have actuaries, not unions deciding who is a risk.
No one will employ high risk cops because the insurance cost.
Wherever I move, I'll piss on your grave before I check out.
Coming from a police family, I need to tell you - you watch too much TV and you know ZERO actual cops.
My great-great grandfather worked undercover in NY to infiltrate the Black Hand mafia. He helped put away mob murderers, and he worked to avenge the murder of police chief Joe Petrosino. He was a valiant man, and your words aren't merely lies against his and thousands of others who did like work - they are proof that you are talking out of your ass.
90% PLUS of cop suicides are job stress caused by the pressure of the job, the adverse effects of that job on the life of that cop outside that job, and the psych damage of being a pariah by default in a society that NEEDS cops when they need them but who LOATHE cops when those cops rightfully bust a lazy, weak ass civilian for lawbreaking. Less than 10% of those suicides may well relate to what you address, and most of those STILL relate back to job stress ... that's all in the JAMA. Look it up. It's year one of post grad work for counselors of law enforcement. I've taken those psych courses. You are misinformed, or just talking shit. Or both. I love you, Rube, but on this one, you are full of it. Stop it.
Desist with watching so much TV and start knowing actual people. You'll be surprised how much more you'll about yourself afterwards.
All I hear here is how you are obviously personally biased by your friends and family.
My family were all cops in both home countries. Grandfather's were body choppers with machete justice.
You took the point personally because of your background and missed the point.
Because my point of the suicide tale was clearly not about anything you talking about.
It was the similarity on how the death is classified as dying in the line of duty.
Same thing the CDC was doing with covid.
I don't watch tv finsky, not in like 20 years.
Last series I watched to completion was the sopranos.
And most my neighbors are cops.
Mom has always worked for cops.
And criminals too.
I'm in and out of their lives all my life because I'm the driver.
Of course it's job stress.
If a cubicle worker kills himself his job stress is also a factor.
But not on the line of duty.
If as a cop your downtime counts as line of duty then you are always a cop and always working and always on your guard.
That attitude breaks humans.
I'm not speaking lies.
It was an example to prove a point.
You as a professor of history and literature should be more aware of the fallacy that is getting hung up on the details of an example over the intended factual point.
You know that everything used in the example is in no way supposed to be dissected for its factual technicalities and judged by the percentage of truth as to your standards and experience.
You understood the point I was making with the example.
You do not get the benefit of the doubt.
You have too much education.
You chose to misuse the example to twist it into an attack on police who serve righteously.
If your grandfather was around and was seeing how the police departments cower and officers use their fear as an excuse to be evil he would probably investigate them for being part of the black hand gang.
Because they are.
Sheriffs are run by secret societies like the chinese triad.
Police are run by gangs that are recruiting grounds for the secret societies.
It's a mafia.
Your personal connections make it worse than being simply uninformed and ignorant.
You defend the doctrines created to hide their abuse as sacred.
And if they don't reform and remove the guns from the badly trained thugs out there the whole apple bunch is gonna be thrown out.
The swamp runs deep.
And swamp thing ain't even up yet.
Haha you think things work like they tell you they work for you and for me.
Remember when they said that surgeons and big pharma would clean up their act because of insurance costs.
Yeah, surgeons don't give a fuck.
They just move on to a new spot.
Abusive cops will always be paid.
Mercenaries who do their job without asking questions or feeling guilt are always a hot commodity.
If not here then in another city or county or state.
Many of the worse are moving to Texas to protect and harass the people leaving CA.
These policies and great ideas only work against law abiding people.
The criminally minded abusers know how to move side to side like a snake and always land on their belly.
Your best intentions and logical conclusions break down as useless against pro criminals.
Like always money becomes your only tool. Money that comes from taxpayers.
Which means FREE MONEY.
Nobody respects free money.
On the contrary, having insurance pay for your misdeeds is a safety net that ONLY gives you the freedom to not give a fuck.
If you a power minded shithead.
And your bosses don't care l, ultimately its more money for the dept and allows for even more of a budget ask for the city and state. They can always point to the rising premiums not as a negative but as a positive to ask for more of your money.
You need to think like a criminal if you wish to make an impact against them.
You have to do things that hurt them hardest.
Not things that hurt everyone else and are merely inconveniences for criminals to get around.
Who doesn't love good cops?
I'm Mexican and Salvadorian born in east la in the 70s. Raised in Whittier in the 80s.
Lived in Azusa during the 90s.
And lived and stayed in Pomona off and on all my life because of family and friends.
I been to warzones in El Salvador and drug zones in Sinaloa.
I never get scared by thugs on the street.
Like I don't get scared by the predators on the mountain.
My adrenaline spikes by predators that hide inside the corral and pretend to be here from the government to help me.
We grow up seeing too many of the bad cops.
And they become the calling card for entire departments.
Too many cops are all by the book heartless stiffs.
Too many are dirty fucks.
The majority I hope are regular guys like my nephew who just graduated from the academy.
Hopefully he isn't turned de one extreme to the other.
Problem is if you aren't by the book you get in trouble for not making enough money for your department or for technicalities arising from being a human being and treating people as such.
It becomes a challenge to stay that way.
Because you end up powerless in a job that is all about power.
So cops know that they have to line up on one side or the other.
Unwritten rules always lead to this.
Probably piss on your shoes cause your fat ass hasnt been able to see own your dick since Nam.
and you’re more likely to die in an auto accident than a plane crash
but guess what?...
the severity per incident ratio is a lot worse in a plane
a minor auto accident you’ll likely walk away
in the air you’re probably toast
police are in dangerous situations the minute they put their badge on
they’re also targets; even more so in this current climate
a gardner might slit his femoral artery and bleed out
but little chance anyone will be gunning for his while he’s picking up a couple donuts
If you knew the dangers of working for UPS and how high security is in there you wouldn't scoff so quickly.
I have permanent damage to my kidneys from unloading trucks during the summer.
Do you know it gets 40 degrees hotter inside a steel container sitting in the heat for hours?
Conditions are horrible inside a ups hub.
Teamsters union in there for a reason.
Water is restricted and you on a timer for everything. Lines to use the bathroom because breaks are super strict and the conveyor starts and stops automatically if you are at your post or not.
You eat dust coming from all over the world and spit out black muck from your lungs as if you worked in a coal mine.
Pizza delivery driver is also very dangerous.
In between deliveries you have to fold pizza boxes.
The paper cuts are neverending.
That's real suffering right there.
Because then you gotta stick your cut up fingers in your pocket to get your keys or get change for customers or grab the pussy of that lonely lady that orders the same veal parm dinner every Friday night.
lol there is always that “liberal” friend Finksi mentions
Lots more random workers are assaulted in the street than cops are.
You just always here about anything that hurts a cop.
if you read the article I posted you will see airplane pilot as the #3 deadliest job. Ahead of professional drivers.
All jokes aside, UPS drivers and pizza delivery are way more dangerous than law enforcement.
these guys have targets on their back. Not only they have to deal with the dangers of driving but they are targets of robberies. Pizza delivery is worst cause these guys work late at night. Get stabbed for a few 20s in their pocket.
I have worked for UPS and delivered pizzas. Pizza delivery was scary if you have anxiety and struggle with talking to strangers in strange neighborhoods where you feel like the lone human in the lost world of cops on one side and thugs on the other and you just trying to deliver a pizza to get your two buck tip and get out.
I never got robbed but coworkers had wild stories.
Then again like diablo said... some of us grow up with an extra sense when it comes to interacting with police and how to not attract their aggro.
Cops are gonna get defunded more.
Before they get totally replaced with private goons they should be reformed into a peace keeping unit backed up by senior officers with pistols and a tactical team roving for emergencies. That would reduce costs and limit violent interactions by some bullshit number I pulled out my ass like 70%.
Certain type of petty crime may rise in certain places.
Policies can be created to then address these situations.
Police should see this as an opportunity and not accept it as the attack that it is.
Deflect the attack like in judo and use the attackers own agenda against them.
President of Mexico did it with the Federales by turning them into a national guard type force severely reducing their ability to be corrupt.
This caused 30% to quit and some probably to join up with paramilitary groups or as mercenaries for drug dealers.
Who knows where the bad apples go, the important thing is that they aren't spoiling your bunch.
Your bunch has to remain spotless so that the honor of the badge gets the respect you expect.
The problem is not that police is corrupt like politics.
The problem is that too many of us know this and just accept it as part of the cost of doing business instead of taking it personally.
Because there is nothing you can do about it.
You are seeing people do something about it.
Because there is nothing you can do about it.
Except scare them into submission.
Or paint them into a corner.
Either way the true spirit in their bottle is gonna get rubbed out.
And we gonna know who is who.
Who is police and who is a villain hiding under a badge.
The PISS ON YOUR GRAVE thing... that was supposed to link to @a2n .... A2N can go fuck his mother, like everyone else has, and I'd add his father IF he knew who his father even was.
The rest was for you.
As for biased, everyone is biased. Truth has nothing to do with bias. And your assertions about police are false & horseshit.
and had you read my post you would have seen riding in an airplane used solely as a comparison to riding in an auto
You are taking it personally because you have a personal history.
But the i wasn't talking about your grandpa or anyone like him.
You keep wanting to put on that slipper.
I was talking about that percentage of cops that die for reasons that are not clean.
Just like you mentioned.
All the other stuff about the other larger percentage of good cops has nothing to do with this conversation.
You are getting your hair hung up in branches like the son of Solomon.
You being like the man who misses the point because he chooses to fight a point/war nobody is arguing.
We not talking about good cops.
Far right is fascist.
Far left is socialist.
Centrists are somewhat fascist and somewhat socialist somewhat in the middle.
They are the worst of the worst.
There is another alternative to wishy washy centrism.
Centrism is the chasm in the valley where the predators roam.
The bottom of the canyon trail the dumb easy pray like to take.
The lesser of two evils is always the road to Hitlers perdition.
The only road to take is the high road.
Its the happy medium that takes you to middle earth.
And what would work for middle america.
This is a black democrat state congressman.
Hard to call this guy a centrism even though he just broke through his parties imaginary gates.
Cube starting to see that Dems been feeding them sweet potato pie in the sky all these years.
Breaking through the gates of the plantation.
This is what you have been told to think.
There's very little difference between far right and far left. They're both authoritarian.
The other end of the spectrum is free
But free is scary.
How much freedom can you accept before you get scared?
Howu mare you willing to let other people be free before you get scared?
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