Robinson Cano vs Chase Utley

Although I don't think Ellis is great, he's good enough. I wouldn't give up anyone valuable for Utley. If Kemp, Ethier, and Crawford are so bad that Utley becomes a necessity instead of a luxury, we don't deserve to win. Kemp should be the middle of the order monster that's added to this team--Ethier shouldn't be so powerless and unclutch offensively. If those guys just played well we'd be golden.

 

Some of the offers I'm seeing in this thread are crazy talk

 

This may come across as asshole like I do not care. I would love to see Amarro hold out too long and then be stuck with Utley, Ruiz, and Papelbon for the rest of year. I like the idea of the Phils aging themselves out of the conversation for a few years. I also hope Lee is stuck there forever. He is a fucking moron. Amarro screws him over and then he resigns with him.

 

Being stuck with them wouldnt be the worst thing in the world imo.utley is loved in the clubhouse, by the media, and the fans and would deffinitely get a QO.ruiz wont get a QO and shouldnt be back next years regardless even though he's one of the best at handling a pitching staff and has a solid arm, more than likely the catchers job belongs to tommy joesph (top prospect acquired for hunter pence) and a cheaper veteran option (think olivo, barajas, soto, etc.).I think holding onto lee isnt the right option, for now at least, unless there's a "blow me away" offer out there.I wouldnt mind having paps back either, but his contract isnt crazy, and was the second it was signed.as for aging ourselves out of the picture for a few years, it woild take a good bit for that to happen.we have a couple top prospects considered top of the rotation arms that will be knocking at the door next year, led by jesse biddle.problem is most of our top positional prospects are in the low minors, but they say bats develop quicker than arms so we'll see if thats true or not I guess

 

^ everywhere that reads isnt is supposed to read is....smh

 

Also, whether it's in FA or after a trade I would have to think if the dodgers wanted to sign utley he'd be right near the top of the list considering he's from pasadena and went to college at ucla

 

I think the Phillies should just give us Utley for free because we took Victorino off of their hands and actually gave them players in the process...

 

Puig, Kershaw, and Greinke for Utley.
Matt and Ethier, too.
Think the Phillies will go for it?

 

Not until we throw in Uribe.

 

We aren't getting either

 

I hope you trade for utley. One less heavy bidder for cano this winter. Though with jay-z as his agent, his original team and actual Dominicans I think NY has the inside track.

 

I don't think yall have anything to worry about Cano, I don't see him leaving or the Yanks allowing him to leave.

 

Hope you're right big daddy, and hopefully we can keep the years to a minimum not matter what the $ is. I'd rather give him 200 million for 6 years than for 10 years. Time is the new money and teams (at least the ones I root for) need to keep "spending" down.

 

precisely stated... thanks

 

How cute. That must be sad for you.

I do think that Cano will resign. I also think he will probably not be implicated fully in the biogenesis thing. I think he is guilty as fuck but will be able to slip through. IDGAF as long as Baun is busted.

 

I'm going with TB on this one...

No way we mess with what's working unless the upside is tremendous and while Utley is solid though declining bat,and a better 2B overall, you don't make ANY costly moves that aren't mandated.

Ellis play of late is not so far below Utley and he's already here performing fine.

Another game or two with 4 RBI's and this whole thread looks like folly

 

He isn't implicated at all in biogenesis. One reporter wrote something and retracted it almost instantly. Dudes Dominican. Why would he cheat in Florida where it's illegal when he can go home to a "GNC"

You also completely missed my point on spending. I'll say it again time is the new money. Maybe I can get dodger announcers to say it so you'll understand

 

Hey you have a point, if Vinnie says it then it MUST be true...

no false words have ever come from the most honorable Mr. Scully



And your 'time is the new money' phrase also rings true... when money becomes the wasteful play toy of uber rich then one of the few currencies not yet corrupted is time.

I might actually use that in my business deals...

 

That's far more philosophical than I was speaking to. Agreed but I meant in the sense of pay a baseball player any sum of money per year just limit the years. Guaranteed contracts and roster spots are going to kill the back end of all contracts beyond 5 years.