So...how does Kasten fix this lineup?

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  1. back2back x 2 + 1

    back2back x 2 + 1 DSP Legend Damned

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    i'm talking upgrades and Baker is an upgrade...not much of one, but still. even if it was based on experience alone i'd do it. but we were 2 games away from the WS with Donnie as manager and a shit load of injuries, so they don't really NEED to fire Donnie

    trading Kemp without also trading Ethier would be the huge mistake. the idea would be to make room for Joc and put together a pretty good outfield defensively and CC is currently our best outfielder defensively. keep him around. he's still athletic enough to make a difference on the bases and he obviously can still turn on a pitch

    what are you talking about? i'm assuming you were responding to me, so you didn't see where i said " sign Guerrero to play SS, not 2B " ? when Seager is ready for the show, he takes over at the position that he's been working at...SS. Guerrero moves over to 2B. Hanley stays @ 3B

    i don't know, but i'm assuming you do

    i'm liking both Kendrick AND Guerrero...working together in the middle infield that is
     
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    Baker is NOT an upgrade...experience, LOL. Just stop it...hate Don if you will but Baker is way past his good managing years.
    So you'd get rid of Kemp in favor of Pederson? The guy hit .278 in AA Ball, only .206 vs. LHP. We need another lefty platoon like we need a broken ankle. Kemp's 10x the player. Quit overvaluing our kids will ya...we did enough of that the last decade. Trayvon Robinson, Dee Gordon come to mind.

    Guerrero's arm looks like shit to me. Didn't you see his video? He'd make a pretty crappy SS from what I've seen and that's probably why everyone on the planet except you label him as a 2B.
     
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    I was terrified a couple of days ago. The press was down on Donnie and at the same time Dusty was in the house, throwing out the first pitch. :eek:
    I could just see Ned trying to hustle the ex-giant manager into his office...
     
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    yeah, don't understand the dusty love tbh :crazy:
    and good call on kemp fordie
    amazes me how people seemingly forget how good this guy was and, imo, can still be
    hmmm, looks like he didn't lose that power after all...

     
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    The "People are forgetting how good Kemp can be" thing is so wrong. We all know how good Kemp was for a season and a month. We also saw him play the past 2 years when he was terrible. He can, and probably will when healthy be a good player. He also could do nothing, and I'd bet any amount of money he doesn't earn his contract. Teams would line up to take a chance on his upside, and I'd more than likely be willing to dump money and add guys at positions that are of bigger need to us than OF.
     
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    Not every post is about you VRP. bkitch.

    Seriously, though many have...maybe not you but it's obvious many have. One guy calls him chinchilla for some reason.
     
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    Yeah, I'm nervous about Kemp, too. But I would not make a move this off season. IMO - Ethier has got to go first. And, btw, Ned can pay out the rest of the Ethier contract out of his own pocket as a punishment. Then, see how it looks with Kemp next season. If he's dogging it, on roids, living the Hollywood life on the dl, hitting under .200 - then send him to the Astros or some such place out of spite. But I think you've got to take the gamble that he will be the 5 tool power hitting CF'er again.
     
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    Baker is way past his good managing days and still a little better than Mattingly...and yes more experienced. but like i said, they were 2 games away with Mattingly. they don't need to fire him and hire Baker, but it'd still be an upgrade over somebody who doesn't have much experience AND sucks with his in-game decision making. hell, i'd do it just because Baker has experience and see what he could turn up with this amount of talent. you're not losing a prized jewel if you lose Mattingly. hell, Ripken Jr. is probably better suited as a manager with his dad's background behind him...pluck him off the TV set. he can do no worse.

    i also value Pederson's defensive ability in CF, his ability to draw a walk, and his ability to actually PLAY IN GAMES unlike Kemp. yes, i also value his youth on this older team as well...youth never gave us anything to smile about this year now did it? Puigmania, Brute 66, Big League Puig, etc.

    however, i don't think i'll die if they trade Pederson for Price instead

    Guerrero's arm doesn't look any worse than Hanley's. stop.

    lol " everyone else on the planet. " i want Kendrick and Guerrero in the same lineup. only way that happens is if Guerrero plays short and that's his position. he'd be no worse than Hanley and bring another bat and more speed to the lineup since they say he's looking like a + runner right now. that's it.
     
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    You don't want a little better than Mattingly. You want a lot better than Mattingly if you're going to fire him.
     
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    or Kasten could squash all the chatter about Guerrero and Kendrick and sign Robby Cano...that way i can watch all the LAD fans that didn't want Cano, jump on the bandwagon when he's in the middle of the lineup day in and day out since he's as durable a player as you'll find
     
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    why is that? we were 2 games away from the WS, my man. a little better goes a long way...add that to being a little healthier a team as well.

    and like i said, Mattingly is no prized jewel. if Baker fails, grab Cal Ripken off the TV set. he can do what Mattingly does - probably even better since his pops was a manager and Cal knows what it's like
     
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    or the ex-Dodger player...i mean that's why Dusty was in the house in the 1st place, right?


    by all means, if TB accepts Ethier and cash + Bills and a Chris Reed, do it to get Price. TB is just the team to have all 3 of those playing well for them in 2015 or something. that's what they do
     
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    Because outside of the decision to put in Dee Gordon, Mattingly didn't make huge mistakes that cost us.

    That was on the offense.

    And at least Mattingly got farther than Dusty has in his years with Cincinnati. Baker isn't the answer.
     
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    it may wrong
    but that's not what i said
    never said how good he could be, only how good he was
    no telling how good he will be
    but the naysayers who said his power would never return were clearly wrong
    personally i wouldn't trade him
    if others are lining up to take a chance on him because of his upside, why shouldn't we?
     
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    thanks to Uribe

    i've never been big on Cincy's level of talent in general. Votto is good, but not the second coming of Frank Thomas or anything. Phillips is usually pretty decent. Bruce is a power bat, but he regularly hits in the .250s and they just barely got Choo...he's good. their starters on the staff leave a lot to be desired...i mean really. let's break down the Reds' talent. we have WAY more of it.

    i remember when the big trade went down last year...Dusty was about as excited as Dodger fans were. he just started rattling off the names in the lineup and went " woooo "
     
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    baker at best would be a lateral move
    no need to ship donnie unless there's a better alternative
     
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    i mean i remember when the big trade went down last year...Dusty was about as excited as Dodger fans were. he just started rattling off the names in the lineup..." Gonzalez, Ramirez, Kemp, Ethier and when they get Crawford back? woooo! that's tough. " and that was obviously a Puig-less team. i'm just saying. the Reds don't have a much talent as the Dodgers, so i don't buy " he never got the Reds anywhere ". Reds don't even have as much pure talent as the Nationals.
     
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    Cal would manage better because his dad was a manager? WTF? One sentence experience matters(for Baker) yet, Mattingly has more experience than Cal(3 years). And you are too short sighted to see any good Mattingly brings like running the personalities and clubhouse.
    LMAO...so how many years are you going to gamble with managers? You're suggesting 2 more minimum. Let's cross our fingers Cal's dad taught him how to manage a team with a $240M+ payroll in modern day baseball. stop.
    Again, WTF? Hanley is not a good defensive SS. So because he's our shitty gloveman, that's an acceptable level for a guy that will never hit like him? stop.
    While we're at it, lets make sure our next LFer has just as good of arm as Crawford and Pierre....but hit a lot worse too.
     
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    This is coming from a guy who isn't a Mattingly fan, but there's no need to fire Don and get Baker. If we get rid of Don, we might as well give Wallach his shot or even Hillman.

    Baker isn't the answer. The answer is for our hitters to finally light up rookies like they are supposed to.

    Don didn't cost us in the post-season. The offense did when they had more than enough chances to steal TWO games in St. Louis but came up limp.
     
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    You are impossible to deal with...really.
    So many of us that don't want to sign him would be "jumping on the bandwagon" because he joined our team. stop.

    Just eject dude...push the eject button.
     
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