DODGERS Around the MLB Thread

Kemp was never as good as Trout and unlike Kemp, Trout has done it for more than one season.

 

Kemp, even in his best season, was never as good as Trout.

 

Bullshit.

 

It's not even close. Kemp's offensive numbers were worse and Trout is head and shoulders better defensively. The numbers Trout's put up the past two years are some of the best in baseball history, while Kemp was MVP level, but not historic.

 

If he maintains this pace (big if) he'll be a Hall of Famer by the time he's 27.

 

I think any team would do it.

I go for it again with what they have next year and if that doesn't work I'd try to move Hamilton and eat money. I think if Hamilton has a little value at, say, 3/39, so if you eat half you can move him. Pujols isn't going anywhere. And the key will be pitching.

 

Really, to say it's not even close?...this is total bullshit(with all do respect).
2011 Kemp matches up to either of Trout's 2 years pretty close. You're just splitting hairs and showing preference to some stats over others. It's obvious you do not think highly of Kemp, and ignore stats like RBI and HRs. so maybe in your baseball world they're not even close...LOL whatever. Agree to disagree.

Last time I checked a 39HR/ 40SB/ 126RBI season is probably a historical season, but growing up in the the steroid era I can see why that would make you yawn....but maybe you ignore that too.
Consider how many players have pulled off the 40/40 season and then check how many of them were proven PED users= Canseco, ARod, Bonds, Soriano- 3 of these guys are proven and Soriano certainly fits the bill.(I'd look up 39/40 seasons but I think the point was made and I don't want to waste more time finding that weird shit)
Even Trout may never do it and he's obviously the best player in baseball right now....he's certainly not even close to a 40/40 season.

And all these bullshit fielding stats saying Kemp is so horrible in OFer are so laughable to me. Kemp is no a horrible OFer. He makes plenty of great plays and has a very strong arm with speed. He's not Billy Ashley, Manny Ramirez or Scott Van Slyke...that's horrible and that's why those guys would never even get to play CF. I'm not saying he's great or deserved his GoldGlove, but he's not terrible. I've seen plenty of terrible OFers, stats or no stats...he's not terrible.

 

How is that obvious? Because I was against his huge contract that he hasn't come close to earning? Because I called his down year and was right? Those are probably the only anti-Kemp things I've ever said.

And yeah, I don't value HR's and RBI's at all when comparing players, so we'll agree to disagree there. But to me, and anyone who understands and accepts advanced metrics, it's not close. Trout's had two 10 win seasons in a row. In my lifetime that's been by only one other guy, who was pretty damn good himself.

 

That'd be Barry Bonds for those who don't want to look it up.

Mike Trout is much better than Kemp, of course Mike Trout is much better than 99.99999999999999999999999999999999% of every baseball player. Mike Trout is 100% better than anybody.

 

I would have referred to him as the greatest of all time, but I didn't want to get into a steroids talk.

 

Did you predict Kemp being injured? Because that's more than likely the only reason he hasn't lived up to his contract at this point. He was sure on his way to repeat 2011 until the COL wall crash.

WAR?...maybe the only "stat" that carries no weight with me. Advanced metrics are not the be all end all yet that's all you preach. I can accept them fine for the most part but that doesn't mean you ignore everything else.

Comparing baseball players is full of grey area. It's not like the 50 yard dash or swimming where a stop watch makes the final decision. Stats are not that accurate and there's way to many variables. I mean they don't even compete on the same field or under the same rules or same lineup or the same spot in the lineup. How 2011 Kemp is "not even close" to as good as 2012 Trout totally evades me.

And I never compared Trout and Kemp like you are. I know(and admit) Trout is better than Kemp after these last 2 seasons but that was not the original point I made that you and BDK were debating me on so forget about it.


And unrelated but out of curiosity.... if your advanced metrics are so telling, go back and explain how the OAK A's lost the World Series in 1988 and 1990. I'd find it hard to believe that the A's lineup didn't beat the 1988 Dodger's lineup man for man in WAR and it wasn't even close. Again in 1990 vs. the Reds probably similar. If baseball was played with stats then why can nobody predict the outcome every time? Because there is other forces in play.

 

I never disputed that...for the record.

 

He easily is the greatest of all time and ARod may have been better....but yeah if you want to avoid the steroid talk...it's best to ignore him and ARod. :shifty: