NEWS/RUMORS/INJURIES/"CHRIS's CRAZY THOUGHTS" Thread

^ I understand the rationale as well, but I'm scared at our production if Kemp is no longer in the lineup. I know literally nothing about Paxton/Walker in Seattle. What positions are they? Are they young? If so, what are their projections?

 

both have been projected as top of the rotation starters. Paxton is a big lefty who averages like 96-97MPH on his fastball. Walker was pretty much the top prospect in all of baseball for a period before last season. a couple of young power arms..the Dodgers would be lucky to get either one and say line them up with Kershaw/Greinke/Ryu/Urias moving forward post-2015. however, either one slots in as the immediate #4 in next year's rotation and would be a very welcomed addition to our bullpen come post-season play.

 

But by trading away one of if not arguably our best hitter, we're essentially forfeiting our contention for next year. We won't win with that offense. Kemp was awful in Cf but wasn't bad at all in Rf and didn't miss any time due to injury last season. Hes much safer injury wise there. We've won back to back divisions why dismantle that? To me this potential trade says we care more about cutting salary and playing it safe than winning now. That's bs. Again i know this isnt your position but That's what I don't get. And joc hasn't proven anything yet. He could be LaRoche for all we know. Kemp proved his worth offensively the last half. Dude could hit 40+ in camden. Or maybe zaidi and Friedman are baseball wizards and I'm just some guy on the internet.

 

Yeah right, that doesn't make sense from Baltimore's prospective.

 

well, there have been too many instances of guys stepping their game up over the last couple of years for me to say that " it's a forfeit if they trade Kemp ". i'm over it. our whole starting outfield went down due to injury early in 2013..Puig stepped in and stepped up at an all-star level. we had no answer at 2B before last season..Dee Gordon then becomes an all-star. the forum theme then becomes " our bench is gonna suck "..and along comes Turner and SVS mashing at a ridiculous rate. hell..down went Ryu and even Kershaw at key points during last season..and up steps Danny Haren and his performance after all the shit that he got ( and continues to receive) from people on this forum. not to mention the majority of posters giving Crawford a bunch of shit before he became the Bambino in the 2013 playoffs and then helped power us to the playoffs in the 2nd half of 2014. shit, with our luck over the last 2yrs they'd trade both Kemp and Ethier, and Crawford/SVS would hit near .300 and combine for 25HRs for us next year. or better yet, considering that the Dodgers have turned up all-stars out of thin air in desperate times over the last 2yrs, let's just sit back and watch SVS become an all-star. Lol

anyway, i've seen it enough to be confident that the world won't come to an end and if our front office looks back on recent seasons past, they'll see it too. there's a tendency to panic here @ DSP. the panic is also coming before they've replaced Hanley @ SS, or before seeing the return they get for Kemp if they decide to move him, and without considering the unreliability of Kemp since 2011. again, historically there's a good chance that even if they decide to keep Kemp that they'll be playing without both Kemp and Hanley next year anyway. Kemp's not gonna magically become healthier as he ages and we still don't even know if he's willing to move to LF anyway. there just seems to be too much worry about offense, imo..last year the Dodgers ranked 20th defensively..piss poor for a team with probably the best 1-2-3 starting combo in the majors and way too shaky for a team that's tryin to help it's bullpen get better. at the very least, Joc represents an upgrade defensively in CF.

 

if there's interest in Miller, might there be interest in Robertson too..if they miss on Miller?..

probably not because of the QO

 

Andrew Miller should be a no brainer, especially if they get him at a 3 year realm.

 

4 year deal for Miller I guarantee it. Who gives it to him is anyone's guess.

 

They're not BB wizards by any means, just taint licked by so many that overvalue their methodology. The "value" BS is way over hyped...I mean does any ML team go into or sign a guy saying "I know he's terrible value, but he'll help our team , so the hell with it-pay him". So what anyway if a guy does get a year or so more, or even a mil or so more, than what posters think he's worth? Is Stanton worth 325 million dollars theoretically? C'mon...no matter what he does, he'll never be worth it, unless he finds a cure for cancer on his off days.
And you're totally right about Kemp with the O and in RF...not having his bat will hurt us badly.
And the "panic" that reigns supreme here (supposedly) is borne of 26 years of ZERO, hardly a panic, more like a grim acceptance of another year of watching some other NL team get to the promised land; change for the sake of change is bad BB, and taking money off the books by offing a player like Kemp is even worse. Of course, young players keep the team...well...young. But I've read an awful lot about Zach Lee and Joc and seen Joc;and they are both a yawn, IMO. Maybe they'll be Ted Williams and Maddux reincarnate eventually, but Kemp is banging it now; looking to the future given our recent past is a total fucking bore and frustrating...then again, maybe the prize has changed and they are shooting for something else.
These guys will bring in the bucks, for sure...but put together a WS champion? IDK, maybe one day.
Maybe by accident after value.

 

agreed. tell you what..i didn't like the Yankees outbidding us for Tanaka last year, but it turned out to be a blessing in disguise with Tanaka's arm hanging by a thread at season's end. i mean look no further than the Yankees when it comes to " spending going wrong "..Tanaka and Ellsbury. Lol even McCann sucked for much of last year.

i won't even be mad if the Yankees outbid the Dodgers here..just so long as the Cardinals or Giants don't get Miller. with the Yankees, Dodgers, and Red Sox in the mix..i'd be surprised if we heard much more from the Cards when it comes to this guy.

 

looks like the Orioles are gonna lose Markakis as well

 

I wouldn't say trading Kemp forfeits our contention for next season. The gnats have won plenty of WS's with what most would consider shitty offenses. I don't want to trade Kemp, but at the same time I want to give the new FO the benefit of the doubt and time to see what they can do. As far as cutting salary, I'm kinda ok with that too to a certain extent. The Guggs went above and beyond for us, but we really need to continue fixing the infrastructure that the parking lot attendant destroyed.

Overall, I'm in an accepting "wait and see" mindset. Maybe 26 years of mediocrity has numbed me.

 

Maybe you missed it, maybe not; but we are far from the Gnats. Using them as an example, them to us, is the classic apples and oranges comparison, big time. Parking lot attendants and more dust in Kasten's pockets and benefit of the doubt aside, this is all a fucking crashing bore after 26 yrs. A fucking U-turn looks like BS right now, to me anyway. Smug cop outs.
We will never do what the Giants have done,we are just not as slick, and the one thing we didn't do, so stupidly, beside get rid of that schmuck Ned at GM, is get rid of the just as big schmuck (for my Jewish friends), Donnie BB. But changed everybody else everywhere.
We will not win another WS like we did in '88 (is it really that long ago?) with a shitty O...and Kemp will severly hurt us and maybe we will reach flaccid without him, but not fully erect like last year. Without simply, a banger other than Agon, we are not even "elite" possibly...gasp!
Not with DBB pulling the strings. It will take creativity and cleverness to negotiate and steam through the NLW next year...and DBB is not the capable captain to sail those waters.

 

the latter gets talked about a lot, but the bold is what gets forgotten. all of sudden a good amount of LAD fans are mocking the front office/ownership and either angry and/or impatient with their approach. the same ownership group that didn't have do what they did when they came in..they could've started a complete tear-down and rebuild from the start, cleared the books, and tried for better draft position, but they didn't. it's a shame that loyalty doesn't go far in sports.

the only gamble, to me, is keeping Kemp and him missing 40 games, getting 1yr older, not being as productive, losing value and being stuck with him as he nears " DH territory ". basically, the situation that the Phillies are in with Ryan Howard. if they keep him, wonderful..hopefully he delivers on what we saw over the last couple months of the season. but i just watched 2 teams play in the WS that didn't have a single guy who was hitting at Kemp's 2nd half pace/level, so i'll hear no funeral music if he's dealt. imo, the Dodgers can win without both Hanley and Kemp if they build around the strength of their starting pitching and start doing the little things better.

the Royals were dead last in most power categories. hell, power is down in general. guys aren't hitting as many HRs anymore..the ball is being put in play now. we need outs and an offense that can execute easy shit like getting a runner home from 3B with less than 2 outs..which we were below league average at doing for some reason. easy shit like that used to be " Dodger baseball "..winning baseball. the Giants have taken the old Dodger brand of baseball and ridden it to 3 titles in 5yrs in the modern era. enough said.

 

Just look at his career numbers in Dodger Stadium.

 

I don't think you're looking at this from the right angle. I'm not in favor of trading Kemp either, BUT if it makes the team better 2-3 years from now then I'm down for it. It's not a salary dump, it's an investment in making the team younger. Except for Puig and Gordon, this team is aging fast. And 2-3 years from now is when Seager and Pederson should be starting to become experienced major leaguers so if we get a couple of pieces in a trade for Kemp that help them...why not? And many here will be quick to tell you that winning back to back divisions doesn't mean squat. I'm starting to believe that the current window of opportunity for a World Series is closing fast so for my money we need to start investing in the next opportunity. "Standing pat" is what Philly did. Remember Philly?

 

As far as the front office: They didn't have to do what they did; or spend that money?
yeah, and if my aunt had balls she'd be my uncle. That's logic?
Impatience? Waiting for over a quarter century to win it again? What a joke...
Well, they're making up for it so far.
Let's Rebuild. Sounds about right...