a lot of them like to ignore those PEDs. Al Leiter brought up greenies the other day on MLB network and Ron Darling just brushed them aside like they weren't performance enhancing. where the hell is Albert Belle, btw? this guy doesn't even get discussed. it better not be because of his personality. too many of these writers hold grudges and shit and can't be objective.
Perhaps the greatest argument for abolishing WAR I have ever read. Whoever decided his defensive value must have never watched him play a single game because he is the worst defensive catcher not playing HS ball or lower I have ever seen.
likewise. Biggio was my favorite guy to watch in that era. hell of an all-around player. a lot of grit and old school. surprisingly, the most doubles ever for a right handed hitter. just watched the press conference..it was pretty good. Pedro's charisma is still off the charts.
No, it took federal intervention and the threat of losing anti trust protection to get baseball or the writers to give a flying fuck about PEDs. The feds didn't like their drug laws been scoffed at on a national stage.
The HOF is a joke, and this whole "we won't vote for guys who did steroids" is the biggest punchline ever. The only one of these 4 who maybe didn't do steroids is Randy Johnson, because he was a freak, the other 3 definitely did steroids. I'm glad some people are happy Craig Biggio is in the HOF, but I find it asinine that Biggio (and Smoltz) are in ahead of Bonds, Clemens, and Bagwell. Biggio was good, but not in the same league as the guys who were left out - he wasn't even the best player on his team.
fuck the juicers greenies aren't the same because they weren't technically illegal nor banned same with steroids, PED's et al before they banned them but once they were banned, anyone caught using them shouldn't get in imo that said, suspected juicers shouldn't be penalized and i agree with mousey that the HOF is a joke whoever voted for darren erstad should have their voting privileges revoked the voters should be given a specific criteria to comply with their votes should also be public and... if you're going to allow the juicers in, then pete rose and joe jackson should get in first cheating is cheating, they're either all in or all out
piazza had a career oWAR of 65.9, career dWAR of 1.0 by comparison... johnny bench was 65.2/19.3 gary carter; 55.6/25.5 carlton fisk; 65.7/16.3 ivan rodriguez; 53.9/28.7 still remember piazza drilling tom candiotti in the butt [no homo] attempting to throw a runner out at 2nd piazza was a great hitter but atrocious behind the dish
Writers should not vote except for other writers. Hall of Fame Players and managers should vote for players and managers.
Please tell me someone else heard the Rick gosselin interview on mlb radio right now? Holy shit I got to post it.
So tried...and no luck. Basically Casey Stern and two columnists got into it over who they voted for the Hall of Fame. One voted Troy Percival and left off Randy Johnson and Pedro Martinez.
The other one said Pedro didn't deserve the hall because he didn't get 300 wins. He also admitted he hadn't followed or covered baseball since 1986. Not making this up.
That's true, to a degree. A concerted effort by all involved would have been the thing to do, but didn't happen/ My point is, it was directly Selig's "buck stops here" moment, and he dropped the ball miserably, way too late with his eventual "clamping down"; by then everyone had enough BS, so he rolled with the punches. This is truly The Golden Age of Hipocrisy, and there's no getting away from it. The game will always be hurt because of the procrastination and half-stepping, IMO anyway. They say, "they all cheated in every period"...but what did the Duke do? Babe Ruth? Say Hey? DiMaggio? Hot dogs and beer? Go to bed with Marilyn Monroe? OK, pitchers threw the spitter, etc., but really is it comparable to juicing?
A word about Biggio (or quite a few), who I have nothing against personally, but why so many different standards? For the last 120 years, BB players had their best years in their 20'2 and early 30's. Except in the Roid Era...Biggio had his highest HR total at 40. His highest doubles total at 34 (56)., though 3 years earlier, he could only muster 24. Biggio's doubles total lifetime is 668, and puts him in the top 5 of all time, behind Cobb, Speaker,Rose and Musial. It's a stretch to believe he was up there fairly, without enhancemnt, with 4 of the greatest players of all time? For me...He had 3000 hits, but never a BA title...he hit .300 0nly 4 times, and played in a mad hitter's park.His .281 BA is far below much better hitters like Keith Hernandez and our own DBB, both not in the hall. Both were better, and great fielders, too. He is also in the top 20 for Ks. And he played along side admitted Andro user Bagwell. and behind, Clemens, who at 43 on Houston, posted the best ERA of his career...lots of smoke around Biggio, IMO. Somewhere on this Houston team, was at least a fire. If these facts are overlooked for him, then Piazza, for instance, should get the same consideration. Biggio was a nice guy, but the HoF is not about that. But being the best ever at something (which Craig never even sniffed at in any stat except Ks) is.
I completely disagree. Cheating to win is completely different than throwing games or saving your best for tomorrow when you have money on the line. At least the Arods of the world are trying to win.....every day. I'll say Joe Jackson deserves to get in because he served his lifetime ban. Rose gets in just as soon as he takes his dirt nap. I'm not opposed to taking this same stance with juicers, the hall can commend them but maybe they don't deserve the gratification of living to see it. The hall will be around longer than Barry Bonds will live.
I agree, steroids and gambling are two completely different issues, and it is not hypocritical to say roiders belong in the HOF but Rose doesn't. With that said, I believe Rose should have been allowed in as a player from the beginning. The thing about Shoeless Joe is, you could make an argument that he doesn't belong in the HOF regardless of the ban, because he doesn't have the longevity numbers of most inductees. Granted, those numbers likely would have been there if he wasn't banned from baseball. I honestly have a hard time faulting the guy though, from what I've heard the White Sox ownership was terrible, greedy and just asking for it to happen. In fact, player treatment was poor in most of baseball at the time, so it's surprising it didn't happen more... or maybe it did and we just don't know about it.
Seriously, you think Jeff Kent juiced? maybe I'm reading your response wrong...but I just can't imagine it. But then again, Bill "Huxtable" Cosby is a mad rapist...so maybe you're right.
