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Where Will Hector Olivera Sign?

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  1. LASports96

    LASports96 DSP Legend

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    not necessarily, he can play 2B, 3B, CF
     
  2. irish

    irish DSP Staff Member Administrator

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    same guy someone posted on a day or so ago...

    Meet Yadier Alvarez, baseball's next coveted Cuban prospect
    By Mark Townsend | Yahoo! Sports Big League Stew — 11 hours ago

    While Major League Baseball teams line up to negotiate with 19-year-old Cuban infielder Yoan Moncada, we're already looking down the road to the next potential Cuban star likely headed to MLB. His name is Yadier Alvarez. He's an 18-year-old right-hander. And he's currently blowing away scouts in the Dominican Republic after recently defecting from his native land.

    As Kiley McDaniel of FanGraphs notes, if you're not familiar with Alvarez's name, it's because his rise on the prospect map has come almost out of nowhere. In fact, he was never really on the map in Cuba prior to his defection, and has no experience pitching in an established professional league. However, he made the most of his opportunity at a recent international showcase, lighting up the gun with a high 90s fastball and keeping scouts heads turning with a plus slider and quality change up.

    Experienced or not, that's the type of stuff that will leave scouts buzzing and front office executives checking under the couch for loose change.

    Alvarez looks the part as well. At 18, he stands 6-foot-3 and weighs around 175 pounds, which makes for a solid foundation. With so many years ahead of him, he also presents an opportunity to be molded and developed within a team's system. All things scouts and teams looking to stash talent will love.

    Of course, with so little real data on Alvarez, it's almost like filling out a scouting report from scratch. That means there are some questions as well, beginning with his command. In early workouts, that has stood out as a concern. Will he be able to harness and trust his excellent stuff as he moves up in competition?

    Another question is whether or not he'll have the consistency, stamina or durability to be a starter. His value would shoot through the roof if he could prove capable of handing that role. However, that's something that can't honestly be learned for months if not years. For now, limited to 2-4 innings in workouts, and it's unlikely he'll tax his arm much beyond that before signing.

    On that front, McDaniel says that Alvarez’s camp expects his paperwork to be done within 4-8 weeks, which should allow him to sign before July 2. That's notable because the Cubs and Rangers will not be able to sign him after exceeding their international bonus pools by more than 15 percent in 2013-14. On the flip side, the Diamondbacks, Angels, Red Sox and Yankees would still have a chance to sign him before their two-year penalty begins.

    Yahoo Sports' Jeff Passan hears at least one of those teams has interest:
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    Though it's too early to tell what the market will be, whoever does sign him will be taking a high-risk, high-reward gamble. McDaniel explains why.

    "Again, as I’ve already said, it’s super early to peg what Alvarez’s talent and his market are, but he’s clearly better than RHP Yoan Lopez, the 21-year-old Cuban who signed with the Diamondbacks earlier this year for an $8.25 million bonus. This means Alvarez should go for $10 million or more, with his further workouts dictating what the ceiling may be."

    The $8.25 million was a record signing bonus for an international amateur, so McDaniel expects Alvarez to best that if not shatter it when he finally signs. Indeed, that would be a hefty investment to make, but sometimes you have to count on your eyes telling you the truth before you can figure out the math.​
     
  3. back2back x 2 + 1

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    Updates On The Top Cuban Free Agents
    By Steve Adams [February 15 1:12pm CST]
    Yoan Moncada, Hector Olivera and Yadier Alvarez represent the top three names on the Cuban market right now, with Andy Ibanez ranking as perhaps the fourth-most intriguing option from the island. Both Moncada and Ibanez are eligible to sign at any time, while Olivera is still awaiting MLB’s clearance. Alvarez is the furthest from signing, as he’s yet to establish residency in another country, which must be completed before he can begin the process of getting cleared.

    There’s been a quite a bit written on each of these four of late, so we’ll look at each on a case-by-case basis within this post. All information is courtesy of this excellent and comprehensive piece from MLB.com’s Jesse Sanchezunless otherwise noted.

    Yoan Moncada

    Moncada has yet to receive a formal offer, Sanchez writes, but he’s worked out privately for the Cubs, D-backs, Yankees, Red Sox, Dodgers, Padres, Giants, Rangers, Rays, Tigers and Brewers, and there could be other private workouts to come. Some scouts are a bit skeptical of Moncada’s ability to hit from the right side of the plate, but the belief is that he won’t require a lengthy stint in the minors before being ready for the big leagues.

    Sanchez notes that any team that signs Moncada would have until July 15 to pay the overage tax on what will be a historic bonus, and that bonus can be paid out in installments over the next three years. So, while shelling out the tax due to the league in one lump sum may be onerous for smaller-market clubs like the Padres, the timeline on that payment is at least pushed back a ways.

    Ken Rosenthal of FOX Sports recently spoke to multiple executives regarding Moncada’s potential bonus, and while one estimated that the bonus alone could reach $50MM, others have expressed some skepticism at the numbers that have been thrown around. Rosenthal spoke to execs that are clearly on both ends of the Moncada spectrum, as one estimated a $30MM maximum bonus, with something in the range of $20MM being more likely. Of course, that would still shatter the current record, held by Yoan Lopez ($8.25MM).

    Digging further into the Moncada market, Dennis Lin of the San Diego Union-Tribune spoke with Moncada’s agent, David Hastings, who iterated once again that he hopes to have Moncada in camp for Spring Training. Said Hastings of that goal: “Certainly that’s not all within our power, as we have to wait for teams to make a commitment, and we have to choose the team we think best suits my player. But hopefully we’re down to the final stages of the process and we can begin the contract phase.” Hastings added that he wants to give as many as teams as possible the opportunity to bid on his client, so the volume of private workouts Moncada has attended isn’t exactly surprising. Lin characterizes the Padres as a potentially “unlikely, if not improbable destination” for Moncada. The Dodgers and Yankees remain the favorites, per Sanchez.

    Hector Olivera

    The 29-year-old Olivera, who turns 30 in April, is said to be seeking a five- or six-year pact along the lines of the contracts signed by Yasmany Tomas (six years, $68.5MM with a year-four opt-out) and Rusney Castillo (seven years, $72.5MM), Sanchez writes. (Remember that Oliver’s age and professional experience make him exempt from international spending limitations.) A recent report by Kiley McDaniel of Fangraphs depicts that as highly unlikely; McDaniel noted that concerns over Olivera’s age and a blood clot disorder (thrombosis) may limit his contract to three years, or potentially four, if multiple clubs become aggressive. He did concede that something around $10MM annually could be possible.

    Sanchez writes that the 6’2″ Olivera is in the best shape of his career and has “wowed” in open showcases and private workouts, leading many to believe he could hit 15 to 20 homers annually.

    Were Olivera younger, I’d be more inclined to believe that he could command something in the vicinity of the Tomas and Castillo deals, but I personally can’t envision that for a player of his age. Tomas will be younger than Olivera is right now when his six-year contract expires, and Castillo’s deal runs through just his age-32 season. A six-year pact for Olivera would carry through his age-35 campaign, so despite having seemingly impressive power for a second baseman (he can also play third), those goals seem far-fetched.

    Lin notes that the Padres also have some interest in Olivera and may turn their sights his way if they’re unable to land Moncada. Padres pro scouting director/senior adviser Logan White attended Olivera’s final showcase in the Dominican Republic last week, per Lin.

    Though Olivera isn’t yet cleared to sign, Sanchez hears that he could sign within 24 hours of being declared a free agent. The Mariners, Braves and Dodgers are the most likely landing spots for Olivera, per Sanchez, who also lists the Yankees and Padres as interested clubs. Clearly, Seattle is an odd fit, given the presence of Robinson Cano and the recently extended Kyle Seager. Perhaps, however, the Mariners would have interest in using Olivera in a corner outfield spot or in some form of super utility capacity.

    Yadier Alvarez

    One high-ranking NL official told Sanchez that Alvarez was the best 18-year-old pitcher he’s ever seen following a showcase in which he touched 98 mph on the radar gun and also showed a plus slider and above-average changeup. Scouts to whom Sanchez has spoke believe he could eventually become a No. 2 starter. One international scouting director also told Sanchez that given Alvarez’s age and lower asking price, he prefers the right-hander to Moncada.

    The Dodgers, D-Backs, Rockies, Nationals, Blue Jays, Padres, A’s, Cardinals, Twins and Brewers are all interested, per Sanchez, with the D-Backs and Nationals as the likeliest destinations at the moment. However, Alvarez is still early on in the process, so those seem the most likely to change of any of Sanchez’s likely destinations.

    Andy Ibanez

    Ibanez, 21, has drawn comps to Omar Infante, Howie Kendrick, Miguel Cairo and Placido Polanco from scouts, Sanchez writes, although he’s probably a couple of years away from contributing in the Majors. As other reports have indicated, Ibanez’s tools don’t blow scouts away, but he does have Major League potential. Sanchez lists the Dodgers, Giants, Yankees, D-Backs, Brewers, Mariners, and Padres as interested parties, with the Yankees,Dodgers and Padres as the likeliest landing spots





    1st time I've seen reports of scouts being skeptical of Moncada from the right side of the plate. Hopefully that's enough to make them sign Olivera as well. With Joc and Seager joining AGon and Grandal..and maybe Moncada, whom it looks like is also better from the left side, we need all the quality righty bats we can get. Hopefully they do put Moncada out in CF, so his signing doesn't effect Howie Kendrick's future with the team..his righty bat will go a long way in helping. Move Joc to LF. If they can get Puig, Olivera and Kendrick in the same lineup, along SVS on occasion, that could help the balance in terms of quality. But maybe the scouts are blowing smoke about Moncada's ability from the right side..or maybe he'll get better? Kike Hernandez and Austin Barnes, a couple more righties, may also be options if they pan out of course.
     
  4. Chiefdodgerslkrs24

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    Original article:
    http://m.mlb.com/news/article/109401778/acclaimed-cuban-free-agents-highly-sought-after
     
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    Damn, this Cuban shit is going to get interesting...
     
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    BTW, outside of great pussy and baseball players, this may be Cuba's best export/contribution to the world.

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  7. irish

    irish DSP Staff Member Administrator

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    used to go to this cuban restaurant in the valley named versailles
    place was really good
     
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    Yea, that place still exists and is solid.
     
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  9. CapnTreee

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    used to eat Cuban food in Miami which made local LA Cuban food look bad...

    More Cubans per meter might affect that I'm guessing
     
  10. irish

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    little havana?
     
  11. CapnTreee

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    si...

    the food was good but not spicy enough for my typical liking... been raised on Mexican food for too long... but I miss the plantains at every meal
     
  12. irish

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    ah yes
    on this we agree
    big mexican community up here
    lots of great homemade salsa and sauces
     
  13. KOUFAX0000

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    Mmmm. TACOS!
     
  14. CapnTreee

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    getting hungry Koufax?
     
  15. CapnTreee

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    I make a decent pico de gallo but I'm always shopping for salsa recipes
     
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    6 Jalapenos
    4-5 Serrano Peppers
    3 Roma Tomatoes
    a medium Onion
    Garlic
    Cilantro
    1 Green and red bell pepper
    salt

    Chop everything up and mix well.

    Take 2-3 more Serrano and Jalapeno peppers
    Some onion
    A tomato
    Cilantro
    4-8 oz of tomato sauce
    1/4 cup water
    Splash of fresh lime juice
    Salt

    Place in your blender all chop and then liquify.
    Add to the Pico and mix well.

    Or if some just like it Pico style, set some aside and you have both options.


    And make some fish tacos for the Pico!
     
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  18. irish

    irish DSP Staff Member Administrator

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    good call on the serranos
    they add a little kick

    just be sure to use serrano peppers and not cerrano's marbles...

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  19. CapnTreee

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    less the tomato sauce that's not so far from my recipe...

    however using roasted peppers gives another flavor and using other pepper types also contributes to the goodness

    and more lime too
     
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    i also add some jicama sometimes
     

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