The 2012/13 Offseason Thread

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  1. BigDaddyKaine

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    yea, no.
     
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    everything dodger offseason related, post here.

    fuck the giants too
     
  3. southerndodgerfan

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    Dodgers Prepared To Spend
    By Ben Nicholson-Smith [October 3 at 12:50pm CST]

    The Dodgers have the finances to make significant acquisitions this offseason, Dylan Hernandez of the Los Angeles Times reports. Chairman Mark Walter said the team will be able to spend "if it's there and if it's right for us." However, Walter hinted that the team may hesitate to spend big on pitching, noting that "pitchers break."

    While the Dodgers don’t intend to be careless with their money, the luxury tax isn’t going to prevent the team from spending. The team’s payroll will exceed $200MM, and any amount over $178MM will be taxed. The Dodgers have committed more than $193MM to next year's team before accounting for arbitration eligible players, according to Cot's Baseball Contracts.


    Mark Walter says Dodgers willing to spend this winter
    Chairman Mark Walter says Dodgers still have money for major acquisitions 'if it's right for us,' despite having already added more than $400 million in contracts.
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    By Dylan Hernandez, Los Angeles Times
    October 3, 2012
    The Dodgers added more than $400 million in player contracts this season, but Chairman Mark Walter said the team still has the financial wherewithal to make significant acquisitions over the winter, "If it's there and if it's right for us."​

    Walter said, however, that the Dodgers wouldn't be careless with their money.

    "If it's not worth it, it doesn't matter if you have more money," he said.

    Walter hinted the team might be reluctant to offer a long-term contract to a pitcher, saying, "Pitchers break." Of the pitchers who will be free agents this winter, only one is expected to command a nine-figure deal: the Angels' Zack Greinke.

    While the luxury tax will figure into the Dodgers' thinking at some point, that time hasn't come yet, according to Walter. The Dodgers' payroll is projected to exceed $200 million next season; any amount they spend over $178 million would be taxed at 17.5%.

    Walter acknowledged he was frustrated when his high-priced lineup didn't immediately produce this summer.

    "But you just have to let it happen," he said. "You think you're going to keep this team down forever? We did not make this move for this year. Of course, we hoped it would help this year. But that's not why we did it. You noticed the guys we picked up, we think they're in the middle of a long number of years for us."

    "We have a stake in the ground. I didn't feel we had a real stake in the ground."

    Walter reiterated points made earlier by team President Stan Kasten and General Manager Ned Colletti, among them that the Dodgers made trades for Adrian Gonzalez and Hanley Ramirez when they did because players of their caliber wouldn't be available in free agency.

    "I think Adrian Gonzalez is one of the best first basemen in baseball and I don't think there's a better first baseman free agent coming any time soon," Walter said.

    But are the fans buying into what the Dodgers are doing?

    Told Dodger Stadium was half-empty for a must-win against the rival San Francisco Giants on Monday night, Walter nodded.

    "I think it's our job to prove it to them, right?" Walter said. "I don't think you can blame fans for anything, I really don't. We're all consumers in other things, right? Pick something you don't like very much. I blame them, right? I don't blame me for not liking it. I think fans are giving us a positive response. The fact they're not all just here to jump up and say we're the best, why would they be doing that? We haven't earned that."
     
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    Brandon League told reporters that he has informed the Dodgers that he would like to re-sign this winter, writes Mark Saxon of ESPNLosAngeles.com. After a rough handful of games to kick off his Dodger career, League settled down to finish with a 2.30 ERA with 8.9 K/9 and 4.6 BB/9 in Los Angeles. Here's more from around baseball as Miguel Cabrera celebrates his Triple Crown season..
     
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    brandon league should be welcomed back with opened arms (and wallets)
    and hell, I had no idea cabrera won the triple crown
    so much for all that talk about trout getting the mvp
     
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    Brandon League, YES...a must extend!

    James Shields, next on my list. A mighty perfect guy to add to CK and Bills....or replace Bills.

    A power bat for the DH games and PH duties. Rivera is not enough...someone better. I have no clue who. Ned will probably get Scuturo and he'll quit juicing.
     
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    Shields and Hiroki please
     
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    Hiroki! I forgot about him. Man he's getting old though.
     
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    Need to find out Bills' status before I make my offseason wishlist, but it's not much. Need a good 4th outfielder and to resign League. Otherwise we have Hairston coming back, Dee/Cruz, whoever doesn't start, Tim F as the backup C, TGJ is still under contract.
     
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    If he was back with the Dodgers this past season, you know he would have won 9 game again, just like always with us. We just never hit for the guy. The NYY however, were a different story.
    If the LAD hit like they're personel has in the past with their other teams, then an old pro like Kuroda could be another pretty big winner.
    "Pitcher's break" is a bit puzzling though....it's just not an intelligent way to look at putting together a complete team, if that's what you're supposed to be doing. Ned can get pitchers that are broken already before we even start the season, so we are OK there; he's proven so.
    CF break, too. If you have an oppportunity to sign a good pitcher, you can't walk away because they get hurt...how do you play this game, then?
    Sounds looney to me. Maybe I'm missing something here...
     
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    Forgot about Lilly too actually. Kershaw-Bills-Beckett-Cap-Lilly is fine, if Bills is out it's not though.
     
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    I don't understand it, but Buster Olney still seems to think Trout will win.
     
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    This. League has some filthy stuff and showed it when he took over the closer role. Would love to have that dude back.

    And yes please on shields. Would have loved to trade for him before the deadline. I believe shields have a 9 mil club option for next season. Hopefully that is too rich for the rays blood and he comes westward.
     
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    It's all the saber metrics stuff. What it should boil down to is, Trouts team didn't make the playoffs and Cabreras won their division. What trout did this year was phenomenal but overall I can't see him beating out miggy for MVP.
     
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    What is most interesting for me anyway, is the Victo/Crawford situation. I would say at this time, Victo must be given the leg up because we just can't assume Crawford will be back and be what he was....and Vic will "not be a fourth OF", he has stated. I say let Crawford knock him out of the spot if that is what is to be eventually. But Vic will want more than a couple of years, and IDK if that fits too well with us. But we are trillionaires, and who gives a fuck how much we pend? give him what he wants, and if Crawford comes back to whatever fabulousity he had before, then trade Victo for a non-broken pitcher or prospects or a cool ports car or something. "Speed never has a slump". I now add money. "Speed and MONEY never have a slump". You read it here first.
    I don't think he's done by any stretch of the imagination (Vic), just not young anymore.
    We'll see how clever Ned is with negotiating with him, and what he does with him.
    League is a no-brainer, IMO...and initially , I thought him another Nedscrub; totally wrong. A Honeycutt instant repair which is a prime example of his abilities as a pitching coach.
    Who is ready to witness Jonathan in the playoffs? Thumbs up or down on how it comes out, as Vinny always says?
    I can vizualize him giving up a series winning hit to scumbag poser Pagan.
    I can vizualize him striking out Posey with RISP in the 9th in the last game for the series W, too.
     
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    Not to mention, It seems like winning the triple crown is being seriously downplayed. Maybe it's the new wave of baseball and all these new stats but there is a reason why it hasn't been done in almost 50 years.
     
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    What will make the difference surely, is one of them is named after a species of fish. Deciding factor, no doubt.
    And Selig's family likes to fresh water fish. so there you go.
     
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    It's not "all the sabermetric stuff" It's actually simple. Trout and Miguel Cabrera had very similar offensive seasons. Miggy beat him by a little bit. Trout played gold glove CF, stole 50 bases, and was an excellent base runner. Miggy played terrible 3B, and is a bad baserunner. The small advantage Miggy had offensively doesn't outweigh the huge contributions Trout made on the basepaths and in CF.

    Miggy will win the MVP, I'm not debating that, but he definitely shouldn't.
     
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    I'm a little confused as to what we'd be spending on. I'm ruling out Greinke for now since Walter said "pitchers break" so I'm assuming we'd go after a Peavy/Shields/Kuroda type pitcher to put in between Bills and Beckett. Also, the starting 8 players is pretty much set, that is unless they want to upgrade at third, catcher, and left but none of those are going to happen.
     
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    No what I'm saying is a lot of these baseball analysts are giving their reasons based on sabermetric stats, example: why olney believes trout should win it. I agree with the base running side of it but correct me if im wrong, i don't think defense is heavily factored into MVP consideration. Should it be, sure but that's why there are gold gloves given out. And wasn't Cabrera a 1b/dh before prince got there? He had to take his over weight self back to a position that he knows how to play but probably wasn't expecting to play again. He more than made up for his terrible play at 3b I'd say.
     
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