The LaROCHE Drama

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  1. BlueMouse

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    IMO it depends. If the boundaries being asked for go well beyond what is normal, the team shouldn't be expected to realize that and define every little thing. Most verbal contracts come with a certain amount of "within reason" implied. LaRoche was the one asking for something uncommon, so he's the one with the responsibility to make sure the request is completely understood.
     
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    It's not personal.
    It's business.
     
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    I think maybe Tom tells Tessio that too, when they are going to clip him.
     
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    Other way around. Tessio tells Tom....tell
    Michael it was business.....I always liked him. Tom, can you get me off the hook, for old times sakes.

    Tom says sorry Sally, no can do.

    Or something to that effect.
     
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    Ummm...no. I've not seen one mention of money from LaRoche or anyone else. I think this may be conjecture on your part. I'd like to see evidence to the contrary.

    I'll take exception to this point as well. Sale made himself look like an idiot, LaRoche had nothing to do with leading him. Sale took it on his own to defend his friend and make statements better left in private.



    Is Trump writing your material? Really? You want to make the leap to minorities doing the complaining? While it may be found out to be true, there is nothing that would lead me to believe that with the facts as presented. Possibly the first time I used the 'racist' tag on this forum when not in jest.

    In the end, you may hold whatever opinion you wish. As I said before, I see it both ways. And as Irish said, there's plenty of blame to go around. The whole thing was handled awkwardly by all sides and no good can come from it for anyone involved. Right now I would hate to have to endure this season as a pale hose fan (or player).
     
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    I guess it's fortunate that LaRoche doesn't have a daughter. Why a father would want to expose his child to locker room environment all the time to me is flat out fucked up.
     
  8. Gebbeth

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    He does have a daughter I believe, so he had a clear double standard.
     
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  9. irish

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    great article
    and it's confirmed... laroche is an imbecile

    “If we got time, do some homework.” LaRoche said. “We're not big on school. “I told my wife [Drake is] going to learn a lot more useful information in the clubhouse than he will in the classroom, as far as life lessons.”

    what a fucken moron
    the only thing he's learning is what an entitled bkitch his daddy is
    good luck kid

    The five dumbest things about the White Sox-LaRoche saga
    by Matt Snyder | CBS Sports Baseball — 1 hour ago

    If any of you baseball fans haven't heard about the Adam LaRoche situation with the White Sox yet, let me welcome you back from a five-day break from the Internet! To catch you up, LaRoche retired due to a dispute with the White Sox over having his son in the clubhouse essentially as a member of the team. Turns out, he was there "100 percent" of the time according to team president Kenny Williams. Drake LaRoche even had a locker, his own uniform and got a picture with his Dad when every other player just gets his own.

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    Since then, there's been a firestorm of fallout. It dominated discussions in the baseball world for a few days and it's likely to die after Sunday's statement from White Sox chairman Jerry Reinsdorf.

    You know what else we've gotten a lot of? Dumb. Let us count the top five ways.

    5. "If he hit better than .207, this wouldn't have been an issue!" First of all, we don't know that this is true. Reports late last week indicate some players complained about the excessive nature of Drake's being with the club (via usatoday.com) and it's possible those same complaints are made about a very good player.

    Secondly, c'mon guys. Of course performance matters. This is a performance-based society and obviously superstar players get more privileges than also-rans. Don't the top salespeople in any sales company have more leeway than those who aren't hitting their marks? That's life.

    4. The suggestion that this somehow makes Adam LaRoche a better Father than "ordinary" folks. Oh my gosh, he left $13 million on the table to go spend more time with his family!

    That's an ... interesting ... spin. I mean, he did, but he already had made over $70 million in his career, was coming off an awful year, this was likely to be his last in the bigs and he was dealing with a back injury.

    Plus, this wasn't just a matter of a guy taking a stand on principle to have the same rights as everyone else. LaRoche was raising his child in the clubhouse. Anyone ever been in a Major League Baseball clubhouse? Whatever you can imagine, that's probably about correct. It's no place for a child.

    Remember, LaRoche was choosing the clubhouse on a daily basis over school for his son. From a 2013 Washington Post article:

    He and Drake play baseball in the morning. If he's not playing in the game, they either go fishing or play golf. At night, they play Ping-Pong at their rental home.

    “And, if we got time,” LaRoche said, “do some homework.”

    And then ...

    “We're not big on school,” LaRoche said. “I told my wife, ‘He's going to learn a lot more useful information in the clubhouse than he will in the classroom, as far as life lessons.' ”

    That will be true if Drake LaRoche plays in the majors for a long time. If not, well, I'm gonna have to disagree. Take note of the perspective offered up by the wife of former big-leaguer Joe Randa.
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    So I ask you, what if Drake LaRoche isn't good enough to make the majors? Is Adam gonna sit in his office cubicle with him?

    Now, it's possible the White Sox (and Nationals before that) made accomodations, but wouldn't that be why there were likely complaints? It's hard enough to be a Major League Baseball player on a daily basis, now you have to worry about someone else's kid being there nearly 100 percent of the time?

    There's also this aspect: I love my family more than anything, but the thought of any of one of them being with me at work 100 percent of the time is a bit much -- especially at the expense of my kids being in school and getting socialized. And I'd feel awful if I subjected every co-worker to my son everyday. He's my son, not theirs. You ever heard or said the phrase "when it's your kid, it's different?" It is.

    Let's be clear about something: In no way am I saying LaRoche is a bad father. Far from it. He's around for his son and that's something many fathers can't say. Many refuse to even try. He has a great relationship and that's commendable.

    I just don't think he should be put on some kind of pedestal here as history's greatest father.

    3. The utter lack of perspective from Chris Sale. After the White Sox reportedly "almost" boycotted a spring training game, reports surfaced that Sale -- one of the Sox's top two players -- screamed at Williams. He reportedly told Williams to stay out of the clubhouse because that's the players' domain.

    Um, Chris, Williams is the club president. He's your boss. He can make clubhouse rules if he wants. Here's Yankees boss Brian Cashman on the matter, via Newsday:

    “The entire facility is our facility, and we control it,” Cashman said. “We control the rules governing the facility. And that's the policy. There's definitely no part of a workplace that's owned by the players, above the company. It's the New York Yankees' clubhouse, the New York Yankees' training room, the New York Yankees' dugout, the New York Yankees' field. We dictate the access.”

    Now, circle back to my comments about star treatment above. Sale can get away with screaming at his boss because he's a superstar. I'm also not going to do that "just imagine if you screamed at your boss" thing because MLB is different. These facts do not mean that Sale is right, though. Far from it. He's totally misguided here. Williams had a situation where there were complaints and he, as the boss, addressed it. He obviously did a terrible job in communicating the situation properly (we're getting to that), but Sale's reaction was over the top. Especially given this:
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    Yes, Jose Abreu hadn't seen his son in three years. That's an extreme example, sure, so let's check in on Alexei Ramirez -- who has five kids -- from last season's story in the Chicago Tribune:

    "It's very difficult because I am missing the time when they are growing up," Ramirez said through an interpreter. "But I always try to talk with them every day, and I try to explain to them that what we're doing is for them, and for their future. Some of the older ones understand the situation, but it's difficult for me because I am here alone and for them because they aren't with me."

    And there are players kicking and screaming that LaRoche might have had to take a few hours' break? Good lord, guys. Perspective. Please.

    Let's also take note that while there were a few vocal past and present teammates getting LaRoche's back, it wasn't dozens or anything. No player is going to speak out and say he complained -- that's a P.R. disaster -- but the silence from others is probably worth a few words, no?

    I am sure the White Sox fans who pay their hard-earned money to support the team were pretty excited about all the pettiness, though. Right?

    2. How Williams handled it. Judging from the comments of a few players and coaches, it sounds like Williams told different stories to different parties. Reinsdorf said "much of this was a result of miscommunication and misunderstanding rather than this being a case of anyone not telling the truth." Some players say they were lied to. Regardless of if Williams lied or not, it's rather obvious he did a terrible job here. He's the boss -- after Reinsdorf -- yes, but he should have done better.

    1. Adam Eaton calling Drake a "leader."

    Yes, a 14-year-old boy is a leader for a Major League Baseball team. Laughable.

    Hey, Matt, maybe Eaton just felt bad for Drake and wanted to stand up for him.

    OK. Cool. It's still the dumbest single thing said throughout this entire saga. Again, let's have a little perspective, for the love of all that is holy. I'm also not sure a single person -- at least one with a brain -- said anything bad about Drake.

    The good news is Sale already said the team is ready to move on and the season starts in a few weeks. So this will be well in the rearview by then. Plus, LaRoche's $13 million albatross of a contract is off the books!

    All's well that ends well, right?​
     
  10. CapnTreee

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    morons aplenty it appears
     
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  11. rube

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    No.
    A girl is a girl and a boy a boy.
    There is a difference.
    I know this is a controversial statement in 2016.
     
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    bruce, er, kaitlyn jenner does not approve this post
     
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    Baseball is not sport.
    Baseball is not business.
    The nfl is sport.
    The nfl is business.
    The nfl is Americas sport.
    Baseball is the great american ballgame.
    Baseball is the american pastime.
    Baseball is america.
    Baseball is family.
    Baseball is love.
    Football is war.
    Baseball is peace.
    Old guard understood.
    But the dragoons are all dying off.
    Their lances and swords no longer required.
    Their heavy plate now obsolete.
    These cavalier knights get put out to hay just like their rides.
    Because the new bucks got the arquebus.
    They dont need no plate or even horses.
    Who cares about being chivil.
    When you got heavy metal in your quiver.
    But soon these bucks will learn.
    Without a horse you dont ride.
    You must stand there and take your shot.
    Then die.
    Welcome to the new age of battle tactics sold ya boy.
     
  14. BlueMouse

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    Sure, but it's another nail in the coffin of the "family-first" declaration going around. The time spent with his daughter doesn't seem to be much of a concern, after all he seemed plenty willing to play out the season without her around 24/7. If his son wasn't into baseball I wonder if time spent with his son would be a a concern either.
     
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    What if his daughter was into baseball? Or even really good at it...even better than good 'ol Drakey...would you bring her in the locker room to stare at grown men's penises every day?
    Or she wouldn't notice ?
     
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    According to LaRoche's laws of entitlement, you absolutely would bring her into the locker room everyday. Not only that, she would be a leader to Chris Sale and Adam Eaton and make them better human beings.
     
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  17. CapnTreee

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    Ouch
     
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    You guys sometimes....
    Its a boy.
    Its baseball.
    Its a dad and son thing.
    Its normal.
    Always has been.
    The new normal is not normal.
    Its the exception.
    And there will always be exceptions.
    As time passes the exception always proofs the rule.
    Minds get twisted by every new wind.
    Eventually the twig snaps back into its rightful place.
    Or else it falls away.
    Because you can only bend so much and for so long before the wind breaks you.
    And once you break you are bad brains.
     
  19. CapnTreee

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    Pithy Rube... but I coached both my son and daughter in Little League.

    Played by the same rules.


    Of course I think LeRoche is a whiny entitled douche for insisting upon the kids attendance anyways.

    It should be old school. Like the damned Yankees stated.

    My park, my clubhouse, my team, my rules.

    Like it or leave.


    Old school coaching mindset says no fucking kids in the locker room except as permitted during media hours etc.
    Gotta honor the sanctity of the team.
    Team prez did the only thing possible
    Sale is another entitled douche.

    something else to remember when he hits the market again
     
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    If I'm understanding Laroche's logic correctly, this is a good substitute for 9th grade Sex Ed.
     

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